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[-] dandelion 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm not sure what you mean by "100% conversion", but no - there are developmental pathways that are irreversible, e.g. the fetal development of the genitals are not going to change by taking hormones later, and many changes during puberty are irreversible (like changes to the skeleton - length of bones, changes to the skull, angle of the hips, etc.).

In trans women, undergoing male puberty causes irreversible changes to the thickness of the vocal folds, and estrogen does not change or fix the voice (but for trans men, starting testosterone will cause the vocal folds to thicken, permanently masculinizing the voice).

Preventing the wrong puberty helps avoid a lot of distress for trans people, which is why it is so important those interventions are available to trans youth. It is no different than if a cis person were administered the wrong hormones and forced to live as the wrong gender - it causes distress and significantly increases likelihood of suicide.

But even for those who avoid the wrong puberty, there are sex differences that developed as a fetus that would require surgery to fix.

EDIT: in case it's not clear, there is a huge variety in the ways bodies develop even just when looking at non-trans people, and so even though my body underwent male puberty and that resulted in permanent changes to my rib cages, skull, hip width, etc. - my body still more or less overlaps with other female bodies enough that nobody can really tell the difference.

Male and female genitals are actually homologous meaning they have the same structures - both men and women have a phallus, e.g. a penis is a large, spongy clit and women have a "prostate" (Skene's gland) that like in men produces ejaculate, etc.

So with surgery, my genitals were able to largely be corrected and the various structures were simply altered to be like they would have been (scrotum is a fused labia, and with surgery is fashioned into labia).

So even my genitals would be "female" to most people (not that most people would see my vulva anyway).

My breasts have developed naturally through hormones alone, and at this point I have no complaints about size, and they certainly are large enough that nobody questions that I'm a woman.

I'm beginning to lose sight of in what medical or biologically significant ways I'm not "female" at this point, even if there are still plenty of residual signs of my initial male puberty I'm very aware of, nobody else seems to notice them, and more importantly, my history as a "male" is no longer relevant to my physical health - the current evidence seems to support what I experience: my body is a female body.

This is not something I thought would ever happen, I didn't think transition really makes you female or changes your sex, I always thought of it as more metaphorical or cosmetic. I underestimated the role hormones play in the body's functioning and the way hormones seem to play a primary role in biological differences between men and women.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Happy it worked out well for you! (and unhappy I can't write a whole article to match yours).

EDIT: Oh I do have a question: how does it feel different to be a woman, if at all?

[-] dandelion 2 points 2 days ago

Oh I do have a question: how does it feel different to be a woman, if at all?

that's a very complicated question with a very complicated answer, which makes it hard to answer

whatever answer I give will be misleading or insufficient, and that can be painful because it feels then like I'm causing harm (harm in the ways my answer might accidentally mislead other trans people who may be repressing or not aware they are trans, harm in the ways my answer might mislead cis people who don't understand what it's like to be trans, etc.).

You have to understand that because I'm trans, this has impacted my whole life, including my earliest experiences - I have really never known what it's like to be a cis man or to be cis, etc. - but in another sense I obviously lived a life as a boy and a man, and a life as someone whose lived-gender matched their assigned sex - so I tend to think I lived "as a man", and not just in social ways but also in the ways that testosterone can influence (e.g. I experienced the kind of urgent, visual, but superficial libido of a man, etc.). But it's important to understand that along the way I felt off or weird about it all - even as a young child, I didn't like changing in the locker room with the other boys, I didn't like take off my shirt when I went swimming, and even when I was 5 years old I thought there was some cosmic mistake and I was supposed to be born a girl (I just didn't know I actually was one already and needed to transition).

I'm also older, I grew up in an era where trans healthcare was not as accessible or common, and when the average person really didn't know anything about trans people. The two main representations of trans people I had growing up were from Silence of the Lambs (the serial killer who killed women to make a suit so he could wear their skin to feel like a woman), and Ace Ventura (also a villain character who transitions from a man to live as a woman to evade the law; notably the scene when the villain is finally confronted and exposed, my family reacted to how extremely taboo that scene was by simply not allowing me to see it growing up - further confirming the stigma, wrongness, etc. of being trans).

I also grew up in a place and time when being gay was the same as being a pedophile.

So, I saw a lot of social change in my lifetime, and I didn't have the tools to interpret my experience or to get the help I needed.

In some sense the answer to your question is that it feels no different at all - in many ways it feels completely the same. Even after bottom surgery my genitals it feels very same-y, to the point that this can be a point of distress because I have internalized and come to believe I'm male and a man, even believing that it's manly or masculine to envy women or to want to be a woman. This is a twisted perspective caused by decades of repression and needing to cope and survive, and it feels like a life-long kind of mental wound that I am attempting just now to address and heal, and progress is slow.

But obviously things are very different, and there are plenty of ways it also feels different, in fact everything is different in a way. So it's all the same and all different - that makes sense, right? 😄

When my body produced testosterone, I experienced what is called "anhedonia" but that's just a fancy word that describes how it feels when you struggle to feel happiness or pleasure. A way this could look: I spent a lot of time and energy seeking pleasurable activities (things that made me feel happiness), and they had a muted effect in some ways. For example, a nice meal felt like survival to me - if I didn't cook a delicious dinner every day, I would struggle to feel a will to live that was so bad I couldn't get out of bed or get myself to engage in the necessary daily tasks I needed to get done. The pleasure from the meal was necessary, and for example if it was a stressful time and we decided to grab some frozen meals from the store or even something like a nice prepared meal from Trader Joe's, those meals were not tasty enough or pleasurable enough, and I would experience worsening depression and would have to dig myself out of that hole in a sense. I didn't know this wasn't normal, it was just always what it felt like to be in my life. I was known for being grumpy, critical, and sharp. It's maybe like living in pain all the time, I was really suffering but because it was normal to me, I didn't realize I was even technically experiencing depression.

So, on estrogen, I just feel happy most of the time - my base level happiness is much greater, and I don't rely on fancy meals to have a will to live or get out of bed. This can actually make life a little more boring in some ways because life is now pretty normal feeling, there isn't the same extreme struggle that also led to me living in extreme ways (like, I admit my cooking was better before I started estrogen because the necessity to cook really great meals was much stronger).

Before on testosterone, I might go grocery shopping and not have the mental endurance to do much more than that once a week. On estrogen, I can go grocery shopping and then have social plans and do several busy things during the week and still feel fine. I might even be tired, busy, and running an errand and just feel happy in ways I never experienced before.

So being a woman feels like becoming a normal person, becoming a human being. Living as a man felt like living as a subhuman animal. As a woman I take care of my hair, my skin, my teeth, etc. like a normal person. Before transition, my hair knotted into neglect dreads and I washed it every day with hot water and bar soap and I shaved my head once or twice a year out of convenience (even though I hated it). I didn't brush my teeth, I didn't take care of body odor, I wore the same outfit every single day. I was really mentally ill, looking back - I couldn't feel motivated by anything like self-care, it was just so entirely pointless and even immoral and wasteful in my mind. I judged other people for taking care of themselves, for the vanity and the waste of self-care.

So, it's hard because I don't think normal men live this way - I lived in extreme and awful ways before I transitioned, I was really a broken person who was hurting. Being a woman felt salvational to me, I thought anyone would want to be a woman and it's just the obvious, rational, and moral choice if there was a choice. But I also believed that no-one can really become a woman (I even felt resentment against trans women for violating this, for pretending to be women, even as I strongly felt that trans rights were important and that trans people are valid - there was a part of me that needed to deny myself that path, and so being around trans people or exposed to media with trans people was simultaneously alluring and disturbing to me - so much cognitive dissonance arose, but I was also inexplicably drawn to trans women like a moth to a flame).

So yeah, it feels very different even if I'm still just "me" and I also feel like I'm the same. Hopefully that makes more sense now, but feel free to ask any follow-up questions or ways in which you are wondering how it feels different. Phenomenology can be hard to describe - but I would say some things really do feel different while other things really do feel the same. I think most people just feel the same before vs after, tbh - so that's the most common answer you'll probably find.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, sorry you had to go through that. Honestly, hard to comprehend being treated as the opposite gender all the time. But it kind of clicks now. Still, even though I understand you being a woman internally, I don't understand the projecting it on everyone else part, to be honest.

[-] dandelion 2 points 1 day ago

I might be a woman internally, but I don't really experience it that way. I feel like a man, I'm a man in my dreams, and I have habituated thinking of myself as a man for so long that it's very hard to think of myself as anything but a man.

While even now I still question the validity of my gender identity as female, I think the evidence that my gender identity is female is pretty strong, e.g. I'm not sure a cis man would feel so comfortable and happy with the hormones and body I have now, for example, let alone pursue it and sacrifice so much to make it happen. On the flip side, a cis man would probably not have such severe mental health symptoms appear when male levels of testosterone are maintained (and see those go away when the testosterone is sufficiently suppressed), let alone have the kinds of experiences I had growing up (like consistently being drawn to and wearing women's clothes since my earliest memories well through adulthood).

So if I'm a woman internally, I have all these experiences that looking back might make sense as the experiences of a young women - e.g. when I was 15 my leg hair started to come in thick and it made me feel nauseous and I hated the hair, so I would secretly steal a razor and use it to shave my legs so my family wouldn't know I had leg hair (this was despite the social pressures to masculinize and my own fear and explicit awareness that I needed to be more masculine because my body was very delayed or weak in its male puberty compared to peers, leading to being bullied).

Other examples: when I first learned of eunuchs in the context of a fictional feminist sci-fi story where eunuchs were allowed to live in a city of women, I immediately felt a strong certainty I wanted to be a eunuch. I wanted to be accepted as "one of the girls". I dreamed of living with other women in a kind of platonic sisterhood situation. I envied the relationship my sisters had with one another.

To get more to your question: I also came to feel alienated from men, and that alienation led me to see them as dysfunctional and weird, and I strongly preferred to make and have female friends. I just didn't really click with men or boys and didn't like being friends with them. Female friends were considerate, they were more likely to be interesting conversational partners, they didn't engage in violence against me, and in general they had more similar interests. Boys on the other hand were often cruel, even my good male friends would leave my room trashed after staying the night, and boys were the only people whipping me with chains, shooting me with bb guns, punching me in my genitals (these were all done by genuine friends, as friendly behavior), but boys were also the only ones who were threatening and bullying me - spitting on me, verbally abusing me, etc.

So, these are experiences that might make sense as a female trapped in a male social role and body - but I didn't know that, and additionally I needed to reject that kind of explanation, so instead I internalized that my feelings were typical for any man to feel, and particularly that the way I felt about men was a way any man might or should feel.

Basically, any man would feel alienated and discomfort around other men because they are threatening, right? Any man would want to be friends with women, since women are objectively better friends, right? I rationalized the differences as general in ways that felt objective and not really about my specific gender - I ignored the ways that I was unusual and that other boys seemed to enjoy rough-housing and their violent games, instead preferring to think it was a matter of self-awareness or morality that made that difference (because I didn't resort to crude violence for fun, I felt superior - and I thought any boy or man should be like me, and I thought that was tantamount to seeking to embody feminine norms).

Instead of recognizing that I'm probably a trans woman because I just wanted to be one of the girls, instead I came to rationalize my view of boys and men as violent, inconsiderate, dumb, and thrill-seeking as inherently wrong. I started to blame and hate gender itself, and I hated especially the male gender and being associated with men at all.

But I rationalized my feelings in a way that eliminated the personal aspects and generalized it so I wouldn't have to confront that the way I felt wasn't based on something like morality but was instead rooted in gender dysphoria. In reality, there are plenty of good men and boys, and transitioning actually helped me see how misguided my gender abolitionism and misandry were.

The generalizations I made to repress my awareness of my dysphoria were not as objective as I thought they were. It's only in hindsight that I have this awareness, though - at the time my mindset was captive to the adaptive rationalizations I made. To be honest, it was unthinkable that I was a woman or that I should transition to be a woman. It even seemed disrespectful to me, that because women were so sacred to me, it would be profane for me to pretend to be one.

Of course that was before I learned about the science of how gender identity forms, about the way gender dysphoria can look, and about the robust empirical evidence proving that medical and social transition significantly improves mental and physical health for trans people.

I think even if I knew all of those things I still wouldn't have transitioned, I actually wasn't open to the idea until after I was hit by a car (like maybe the third major ER visit?) and my spouse was hitting a breaking point with how willing I was to die (or get as close to it as I could). So, it was actually out of a sense of responsibility to the people I care about in my life that I eventually transitioned, since it seemed like a plausible explanation for why my mental health was so bad and why I was such a suicidal burden of a human being - and voila, the guess was right, the first week of estrogen was the first time I felt life-affirming and didn't even have passive suicidal ideation since I think sometime around 11 - 13 years old. I had actually forgotten what it felt like.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

I see where you are coming from now. Ironically as someone who does identify as and is a man, I hate being hairy as heck (prefer a light coating of hair), hate being (made) to show masculinity, and the overwhelming majority of my issues were just caused by other men. So, you do have a point there.

It's interesting to see how open and honest you are about your experiences, and how far you have come since (and you have a long way to go yet).

Still, can't believe you can actually sense the hormone change, and that it bothered you so much to feel testostorone? It's incredible how internal and important our gender identities are.

Best wrap it up before I start asking more questions than I can comprehend (or you can feel comfortable with), because there's just so much (and I'm mentally limited in the medical sense).

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