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[-] applebusch 4 points 1 day ago

You should definitely still vote regardless. You don't get to have an opinion, no matter how thoughtful and nuanced, if you don't participate. It doesn't matter if you morally object to both candidates, if one is clearly fucking worse you vote for the lesser evil. How have you not learned this lesson by now? That shit is why we have fucking fascism today. You're part of a collective and you need to do your fucking part or fuck off.

[-] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's funny. This last election cycle I thought exactly like this, but Trump changed it all. I'll never vote for another liberal or Zionist again. Establishment Dems are just the slower poison, not less evil, just less carcinogenic. Both of these parties are funneling away our futures and our children's futures for a quick buck. I'd rather the entire system crashes and we rip this band aid off quickly. I do have a voice and it's been ignored my entire life. Corruption has completely enveloped our government and it needs to be fixed from the top down.

[-] applebusch 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah it does, but this shithole voted in a genocidal maniac who wants to kill me and my friends for the crime of existing. You don't get to take the moral high ground by declining to participate when doing so means real live innocent people who just want to fucking live will be systematically murdered. Great you want things to get better, so do I, but capitulating to fascism to "rip off the bandaid" is fucking callous moral masturbation.

[-] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Clearly you're still living in some fantasy world where you think working within this corrupt system can yield the results you're looking for. Not going to happen, especially when you'll accept any old crusty turd the liberal masters serve you. You don't get it, our way of life has fundamentally changed already. The train has left the station. The cat is out of the bag. Things will never be the way they were before. Stop levying everything at Trump too, he's not the problem. The entire right-wing and a large portion of the left-wing wants us dead. Trump is just the flavor of the day. We've let the elites get too much power and they won't relinquish it willingly. I certainly hope you own firearms and ammo. I hope you and your friends know how to use them too. We're going to need them in the next ten years. In the meantime, stop voting for slop candidates that work on behalf of the elites.

[-] spinner@discuss.online 1 points 19 hours ago

So you voted for the most corrupt person and party? That isn't particularly logical

[-] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I did, lifelong straight-ticket Democrat voter that won't be blindly making that mistake again.

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I will not lie that my opinion on voting as a form of harm reduction is something I have been debating with myself for awhile, even before Trump's election. However not once has someone like you coming in to shame and guilt and scold me ever pushed me one way or another. You know why? Because you're all self entitled assholes about it who wouldnt listen to me about a lot of things. You come in with bad faith and want to blame us for fascism rather than, you know, the fascists (which yes includes fascist lite, the Democratic Party). Cause the fact of the matter is we aren't. You don't come in here in good faith, you don't treat us with respect, so if you aren't going to do that why the fuck should I give you the time of day?

You either say we (people who don't vote out of protest) hold enough power that we could've swayed the vote and delayed America's decent into fascism, or we aren't relevant enough for the Democratic party to adapt their platform and candidates to better appeal to us. So which is it? Are we so powerful we cost the election, or are we just some tiny minority worth considering (unlike those mythical moderate republicans the Dems keep chasing apparently)? And you wanna know what? My vote didnt matter because of the electoral college. My state voted blue, so my vote wouldn't've done anything even if I didn't even show up to the ballot. Which I did, and I voted on the issues up for vote because that is where I can directly impact. Not pass the responsibility to a career politician.

The Democratic Party is the reason for fascism. They knew Palestine was a pivotal issue, and chose genocide over winning the election. They continue to shift more and more right trying to appeal to the illusive moderate republicans, and you want me to encourage that? Cause thats what that vote means. It tells the Democratic Party that they could put anyone out for you and you'd vote for them because they're the "lesser evil."

You know what has been able to make me reconsider not voting for people? Candidates that were actually possibly worth voting for like Mamdani and Platner. You know why? Because it actually solves at least some of the issues with why I don't vote. So maybe if you stopped wasting your time scolding non-voters like me for holding beliefs, standards, and principles that are fundamentally different than yours, but still just as based on logic, reasoning, good faith as yours and instead dedicated that time to pressuring the Democratic Party to choose worth-while candidates we could have a productive discussion.

But untill you are willing to engage in good-faith and work constructively with our perspective, I will end discussion now and give you the kind of attitude you give me. Fuck off.

[-] applebusch 4 points 23 hours ago

I'm trans you stupid cunt. The fascists are planning to kill me, my friends, and people like me. It's not some theoretical moral position about far away shit, it's a real life existential threat, unfolding before our eyes. Is that not sound enough logic for you, not wanting to die? Fuck your feelings and fuck your "yUo ArEn'T aRgUiNg In GoOd FaItH" bullshit. You don't deserve respect because people like you fucking bailed when the chips were down and you really needed to show up.

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