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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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On the run from her fucking citizenship? Explain now.
What would you like me to explain, exactly? I don't have anymore details than you do.
Apparently you have enough information we don't to claim she's an illegal crime lord and deserves this, so let's hear it. Don't be a coward now, fash
I made no such claim, and you know I didn't.
You do realize your comments here are visible to everyone, yes? These aren't DMs, boomer. Gaslighting is silly to even try, so I'm not sure why you bothered.
Again, don't be a coward like your kind always are when confronted. Let's see your evidence. Seeing as it's so obvious and we're all so wrong, this should be very easy for you.
You're absolutely right, I'm not sure why you're trying to gaslight everyone when they can all see your comments.
LOL you cannot bully me into providing evidence for claims I have not made. You can take your strawman somewhere else.
Oh no, am I bullying you? I'm sure that's very frightening for you, having to read mean words on the internet. Have you tried not being a sniveling melodramatic crybaby?
I'm giving you a chance to back up your claims, show you're not a fascist and prove us all wrong. Your side keeps claiming we hate free speech and stifle debate. Here you go, I'm a giving you a platform. This is your chance to hit the heavy bag, champ. Show us what you got.
You claim that this person was on the run and that they endangered other people, pets, and personal property. Again, we can see those comments you made and screenshot them if you're still confused about how forums work, so trying to pretend you didn't is braindead and isn't working, and borders on mental illness. Literally no one here except you thinks those comments aren't visible and referenceable.
Let's see the evidence you have for your stance. Go on now, snort up them tears for a few seconds and make me regret calling you a fascist. I believe in you.
Jesus, you're insufferable. Literally everything you're saying is nonsense and you know it. You're being blocked now, goodbye.
You were so close to greatness and then you dribbled piss down your leg. It's okay sweetie, I know Trump made you think you're a God chosen warrior. That's why people like us are here to remind you that you're worth less than the shit on the boots you slobber all over 😊
What context would make it alright for an unidentified masked paramilitary organization to snatch you out of your car?
What context did you use to derive that anyone thought any of this was "alright"?
Then how is your made-up "context" anywhere near relevant? It sure looks like a way to excuse what they're doing here.
What makes you think my context is "made up"?
Why don't you think facts are relevant?
"It looks like she's on the run" is not facts.
Also, again, irrelevant. There's no excuse for this fascist horse shit. I wouldn't give half a fuck if anyone did run from these dickheads, and they don't need a reason besides skin color or accent to kidnap people.
That's not the "fact" I was referring to.
The level of resistance is entirely relevant to the use of force. I would recommend researching the use of force continuum.
If she is running, that would explain why they needed to subdue her, so she could not continue running and kill or maim someone else or cause tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage.
These aren't cops dummy. They are chasing her and pepper balling her kids because they are the wrong color.
Who said anything about cops dummy?
Why they're chasing her is a different discussion from the use of force necessary to detain her.
Fuck off, fasc trash.
This is America, where we still technically have a 4th amendment.
I'm not playing your stupid games. Just fuck off.
LOL let me get this straight: this woman could drive her car through the front door of your house or mow down your children on the sidewalk, and if that happens you're just going to shrug your shoulders and say "shit happens 🤷"? And if you do anything else, you're a "fasc"?
E: for your edit: the 4th amendment is not without limitations. Just as every other right in the Bill of Rights isn't. But you know that already...
Fuck off, fasc trash.
I'm not playing your stupid games.
Yeah I didn't think so...
Fuck off, fasc trash.
Ok Charlie.
Ok Dan.
"There's no info on what happened before so I'm going to make up a justification and present it as truth"
Fuck off Nazi
"I don't like what this person said so I'm gonna fabricate some complete and utter bullshit and attribute it to them"
Get absolutely fucked.
Yes. That IS what you did. Thank you for recapping your own actions.
Ah dude BURN! You got me so good!
Go lick some shit boots, why don’t ya?
LOL every time. "Let's not have a nuanced discussion, let's just fling personal insults and continue omitting pertinent context so that everyone labels us shitty liars and we just make everything worse. Fuck it."
There’s no discussion to be had when there’s such a blatant disregard for human rights, and such an overt abuse of power. I don’t care what that lady did, I can guarantee you she did nothing to receive that level of threat of violence, or to warrant that amount of force from 5 overgrown cowardly motherfuckers. What you are saying is that maybe she deserved being treated like that because we don’t know the full details. What everyone else is saying is that no ordinary civilian should be treated like that, ever. Fuck your pertinent context.
What you're saying is that you don't give a shit about the lives of other drivers, pedestrians, pets or hundreds of thousands of dollars in personal property damage. Do those "human rights" not matter? Fuck you.
Nah, fuck you. 🖕
Yeah that's what I thought
Her SUV was stationary when he fired. There was no risk to any of those pearls you're clutching.
Yes and as we all know, Newton's second law of motion, all stationary items remain stationary in perpetuity, never to move again...
This isn't publicfreakout on reddit. Pretending that there's some context to absolve people you agree with for actions you support in all contexts isn't gonna be received well here.
I don't know what that is but you just made up a whole lot of nonsense about me based on nothing. Would you like to try again, or are you not interested in a good faith discussion and you just replied in an explicit attempt to offend me?
Anyone who sees the gestapo acting like the gestapo and is like "there must be some context that justifies this" does so because they support the actions of the gestapo in all circumstances, regardless of context.
No, I've said all I needed to.
You also fabricated that. I don't agree with that. Writing incredibly misleading headlines like this absolutely destroys the credibility of the entire movement, and will be weaponized against it, as we've seen time and time again.
Excellent, feel free to fuck off at your earliest convenience.
And you totally just wanted more context because you think it might make the gestapo look worse.
No. You wanted to pretend that the gestapo were justified.
What happened to "I've said all I need to"?
I've already explained why the context is important in the comment you just replied to. If you choose to ignore it, that's not something I can help you with.
Is this your "explanation" for why you were pretending that there is some phantom context that absolves the gestapo? Because all I'm seeing is tone policing.
I've not absolved thing, and you know I haven't. I guess when challenged to acknowledge facts, the only thing you people have are strawmen. I said literally nothing about anyone's tone. I question if you even have the slightest clue what that phrase means.
That's a pretty horrendous thing to wish on someone who did nothing but add context...