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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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MODERATORS
What context did you use to derive that anyone thought any of this was "alright"?
Then how is your made-up "context" anywhere near relevant? It sure looks like a way to excuse what they're doing here.
What makes you think my context is "made up"?
Why don't you think facts are relevant?
"It looks like she's on the run" is not facts.
Also, again, irrelevant. There's no excuse for this fascist horse shit. I wouldn't give half a fuck if anyone did run from these dickheads, and they don't need a reason besides skin color or accent to kidnap people.
That's not the "fact" I was referring to.
The level of resistance is entirely relevant to the use of force. I would recommend researching the use of force continuum.
If she is running, that would explain why they needed to subdue her, so she could not continue running and kill or maim someone else or cause tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage.
These aren't cops dummy. They are chasing her and pepper balling her kids because they are the wrong color.
Who said anything about cops dummy?
Why they're chasing her is a different discussion from the use of force necessary to detain her.
Fuck off, fasc trash.
This is America, where we still technically have a 4th amendment.
I'm not playing your stupid games. Just fuck off.
LOL let me get this straight: this woman could drive her car through the front door of your house or mow down your children on the sidewalk, and if that happens you're just going to shrug your shoulders and say "shit happens 🤷"? And if you do anything else, you're a "fasc"?
E: for your edit: the 4th amendment is not without limitations. Just as every other right in the Bill of Rights isn't. But you know that already...
Fuck off, fasc trash.
I'm not playing your stupid games.
Yeah I didn't think so...
Fuck off, fasc trash.
Ok Charlie.
Ok Dan.