I remember being told the second amendment was necessary for Americans to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.
"That could never happen here" they said about government brutality in other countries.
Now kids have to fear mass shooters in school and fascist shooters in parking lots.
You were lied to by the gun lobby. The second amendment people are clearly on the side of ICE. Guns work as an oppressive force to prevent people from stopping ICE, not the other way around.
Who would have thought all the "don't tread on me" posturing, was actually "come on my back, daddy" sensibility.
I'm ready for some anarchy, TBH.
The racist shitbag using the US flag to cover his face is desecrating it.
Yeah, that's the problem here; the lack of respect for the symbols of American Civil religion
if you are in a car and these people show up, you have right to use your car defend yourself.
Weapon is visible at 0:06, appears to be a paintball gun. Unclear if it's pepper balls or something else.
Still illegal use of force, but thank goodness it's not bullets.
Let's treat it as just as deadly as the police would if you fired it at their car.
If some masked asshole is pointing a weapon at you while standing in front of your SUV, floor it.
This isn't going to stop until ICE actually gets the response Puppy Killer keeps saying they're getting.
depending on where you are, using a paintball gun as a weapon gets it treated as a firearm
and if somebody's shooting at you with a firearm, you goddamn well have the right to shoot back. or at least that's what I've been told about the US by the people who voted for this kind of shit to happen
Eventually, someone will panic and shoot back, then they'll put away the non-lethal and start killing people, for safety reasons. For examples see any interaction with local police.
Almost certainly pepper balls. I don't know what else it could be. It's something powdered at least, and that's the only thing I know of that acts like that fired out of that weapon.
But yeah, I read the title and assumed gunpowder bullets. It sucks that we're thankful for "only" this level of violence.
Are you "there yet" America?
bro they've been winning all year, this is winning to them, they don't care who the person really is so long as they can imagine it's somebody they don't like
The world will be a better place when the people eager to work for ICE are dead or in prison.
🖕FUCK ICE🖕
Fuck the police!
These are not police, but fuck em too
I assume you want to not give them this additional legitimacy by calling them the police, I think that's good... but they are functionally the police in the broader sense of the word
They EARN the hate every day.
It's coming.
It came. It's been there for months already. This won't lead to some final epic showdown for democracy. Democracy lost the battle this time.
This fascism won't be voted away and the millions of assholes it emboldened now know how to do it again and face no consequences.
If this is fixable it'll take decades to fix.
I'm increasingly doubtful that it will be fixed without the whole system collapsing first.
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
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• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
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