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You are using a modern, privileged metric informed by an intensive media penetration that was unavailable during the first three campaigns you mention, and only to a slightly higher degree in the last two.
Most enlisted I have known, and it's a lot, thought they were defending the world from despots. Hell, even the officers I know initially thought they were serving the public good. The rest I know who don't fit into that category just wanted to be able to afford college and a family.
And even if the Marine in the picture knows NOW he only served a bloodthirsty tyrannical regime, the fraternity of the USMC, the commitment to the Constitution... It's some deep, deep connection. Even the most disillusioned Marines I know are still loyal to the Corps and the Constitution. Moreover, it is better that one realizes US hegemony later than never, yes? So how about we welcome those have opened their eyes and remedied their ways?
Or we can just keep shitting on allies and see how that works for us.
It's one of those rare occasions I wish I could break Lemmy and upvote this comment more than once. Thank you.
Vietnam had tons of media showing exactly what was going on, which is why there were so many people protesting it.
I agree that there was unfavorable media coverage of the Vietnam Conflict. There was also a fire hose of positive media coverage, as well as a very intensive campaign to conceal how badly things were going, along with a lot of disinformation around why the US was there in the first place. Hell, I recall reading newly disclosed details about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident not too long ago.
Anecdotally, my family were boat people fleeing the Communist regime. To this day, to a one, they are all hard-line Conservative, even when subjected to profiling under this administration. I like to think I'm somewhat informed and have certainly consumed a lot of media regarding the US and Vietnam. Somehow, I only first heard of the My Lai Massacre around 2005. Again, merely anecdote, but media control by the governments is a hell of a drug.
My original points stand: we get to Monday morning quarterback a lot of shit; better an imperfect ally than more enemies; and however long it takes for someone to come around, better that they come around than not.
Sounds similar to Cubans who fled Castro to the US.
You are being disingenuous, leftists always knew those were sham wars. This was not hidden information back than any more than we knew there were no WMD's in Iraq.
Likewise just because someone is gullible and stupid enough to buy into their countries propaganda about being the good guys, that does not in any way excuse their war crimes. Many Russians in Ukraine legit believe they're the good guys fighting Western Nazi's, they're not and neither is the US army fighting communists or terrorists or whatever *ist you want to use to label the people of the country you want to dehumanise.
And guess what if he knows NOW and recognises US imperialism, he should take that fucking uniform off and throw it in the fire. You know those vets who threw away their medals and denounced the military after their wars? Those are the few who actually came around and know better NOW.
Americans are not my ally? You're a revolting nation comparable with Russia or China.
Yeah, why even bother to distinguish between the authoritarians trying to seize permanent control of the most powerful country in the world, and every US soldier who's ever served?
Fuck off.
While difference between giving and following orders is meaningful, that does not free the latter people from responsibilities.
Obviously that doesn't condemn every soldier for the horrible shit their country have done (Cambodia?..) but this "respect the uniform" crap is also ridiculous.
Is it also ridiculous that the current overtly fascist administration would call out anti-fascism as a terrorist philosophy? 'Cos dude, it's happening and there's nothing ridiculous about it.
Respecting the uniform, in this case, is less about Vietnam or Korea or the Middle-east or any of the more recent wars the US enjoined in.. and more about the invasion of Normandy, the battle of the Ardennes or the liberation of Auschwitz.
Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau.. Are you not seeing that ugly militant specter is goose-stepping its way back into political vogue again?
Take a breath, step back and look at the NOW.
None of which the POS served in.
So instead of him wanking lyrical over how antifa he is (while wearing a literal military uniform), maybe they can reflect on what wars this absolute bellend was personally involved in and have some empathy for the victims of America and not their stormtroopers.
Or, maybe the whataboutisms of the past you dwell on only serve yourself, and not the hapless people getting swept off the streets and dragged off into the night.
There's time for critical discussion of the past - and you have NO idea if the man in the photo has not had any of the soul-searching conversations with his own actions or not - and there's time for stepping up to the injustices unfolding in the NOW.
I get it, that the past is a better cudgel to wield because it's been written in blood, but the dwelling on that past, won't bring a single victim to life again, or give them back what was taken.
Now with that as a truth, what are you doing for the victims who are in the NOW?
What does your rage over historical injustice do for them today?
..... ?
goose-stepping will be done in the exact same uniforms but I do agree with everything else.
Yes? It's absolutely ridiculous, are you kidding?
It's happening. I'm going to the "Hate America" rally on Saturday.
Yeah and the fact that this makes you a terrorist is absolutely ridiculous.
The Republican party thanks you for doing your best to sew division among their opponents.
The rest of us wish you'd shove your purity testing into your least pure orifice.
Purity tests are now 'not tolerating the My Lai massacre'?
It's like you lot sink lower and lower each time you refuse to ever take a stand against your countries own evils.
And HOW should we "take a stand" in your opinion, against those historical past evils?
Should we scream in public, writhe on the ground and tear out hair out in contrition for shit that most of us had fuck all to do with?
With an attitude like that you’d better be strong enough to stand alone.
I’d rather die alone that with baby killers.
Why the fuck are you dbzer0 if you’re gonna simp for the us military?
Korea? You mean that war fought by the United Nations to defend against an aggressive invasion from their much more powerful (and foreign-backed) neighbours? That Korea?
The Korean war was about preventing the spread of communism.
Not sure the downvotes are fair. You're certainly not wrong about the underlying reason that the US supported it.
But I do think it's a bit off base because it ignores the fact that this wasn't an attempt to ideologically spread communism, it was an attempt by one communist country (backed by two other much more powerful communist countries) to invade and force their style of authoritarian communism onto their neighbour.
Yeah probably accurate.
Still not really any business of the US though, is it?
Well, if they were asked by the South Korean government for help...
Sure. And those communists had an army back by their powerful Communist ally invading...
Anti-fascists have dirty hands coated in soil and grease and labor, not blood.
The soldiers that invaded Normandy might beg to differ from their graves in France.
If your government fights against a fascist government, that does not make you antifa.
Antifa is proudly a far-left movement started by communists to fight the Nazi's directly, rather then centrist liberal take of 'defending the system'.
It has since evolved from those roots into a broader leftwing movement, that is inherently anti-capitalist as part of it's anti-fascism. And of which "tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views".
While the soldiers on the shores of Normandy may have also been fighting our enemy, they were not us.
Ah yes l, let's lead a life just as hateful as the fascists. That's sure to fix everything.
Thank you for being someone of sense. People who spread this shit have no clue of the history of the antifascist movement and what it stands for. The antifascist movement is against everything that the rotten country that is the US stands for; the US military uniform is not, and never will be, a symbol of antifascism.
It definitely was for at least a few years in the 40s
They call it collateral damage. Or is it casualties?! A few hundred thousand in Iraq. Plus a few tens of thousand in Afghanistan. And maybe some torture here and there.
And I doubt this person is old enough to have fought literal fascists.
All heroes for participating in the glorious defence of ~~capitalism~~ democracy.
Yeah Americans love making up words to justify their actions to themselves.
“Oh no I didn’t drone strike that wedding and kill that 4 year old girl, that was collateral damage from me killing the super bad guy. I’m a hero!”
Yeah, he should be waterboarded by one of your heroes torturing America's ennemies in Guantanamo Bay, then he would have more respect.
I go touch grass regularly. Actually I went bike touring and camping this very week. And the week before. Want some pictures?
And no. Just like life, I'm gonna stay here, be a thorn, and point out the obvious to the boot lickers. Otherwise I would have killed myself a long time ago.
Every time someone makes a suicide ultimatum, I tell them to do it. Don't try to emotionally manipulate or blackmail us
They're not. It's called a joke. Go touch some grass.
ha ha the language of abusers is funny
I guess the bigger question is why the generalized rage?
Pivots can and do happen in societies and let's be honest here.. 99% of the rage you have at prior political injustice comes - correctly - at the feet of capitalism.
That same capitalism that brought you the ability to buy and own a bike, a tent, and sleeping bag to use for camping, and all the amenities you are using right now - including the computer/phone and the internet you and I are on at this very instant.
So, let's lose the notion that you yourself are not complicit in the support of those atrocities, as you are benefiting from them just like the rest of us.
You can get some land, move off the grid and use only what you grow/make for yourself.. but you won't like it.
It becomes a double standard when you think about the literal Nazi generals pretty quick.
These people thought they are saving the world and were usually one of the "sacrifices" by the actual politicians doing all the bloodshed.
They risked their lives and went through hard training just to "protect this country" too.
Yet a bunch of medals and being in the army tells me they aren't clueless and had an idea of what politicians are actually doing. A good chunk of them even today see it as "just a job I was doing."
In reference to the NAZI generals.. They weren't the sacrificial pawns in the game so much as the brownshirts were.
Brownshirts that today have their parallels in the newly hired ICE agents.
Those agents are thinking they have qualified immunity - but that is only in the case where they do NOT violate any constitutional Amendments when they're arresting people.
Then they're open to prosecution.. and once the current Administration is no longer in power, (I think the healthcare subsidies being killed will be the tipping point, voters gonna get het up when memaw and pawpaw lose their lives because they couldn't afford the doctor anymore..) the snap-back to see the worst of them thrown in jail, is going to be firece.
No way, no how will any politician step in to help them.
Hey we have a military industrial complex products millions of tons of ~~explosives~~ American Freedom™ and we gotta use it