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u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 14:19:02 UTC · score 16
Honestly I would rather it just die entirely if it isn’t going to remove them from the NFA. The $200 was never the core issue, the registry is. Now we don’t have the bargaining chip that all of the fudds and establishment legislators actually cared about/listened to, so we will be unlikely to actually ever get them fully off the NFA if the tax goes to $0. Not to mention the second Democrats have control they will Jack the tax up to well above what it initially was using the same process.
u/i0datamonster · 2025-06-30 15:04:55 UTC · score -8
What is the core issue of the registry?
u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 15:48:57 UTC · score 5
Not only are you disclosing what you own to the government and allowing them to check in to ensure that you still have possession of it, it is also something that will get you put in prison for up to 10 years per offense for. Not to mention how wishy washy the ATF is on what is or isn’t a SBR and how they are a constant felony trap. Long and short, it’s regarded to put someone away for 10 years and fine them up to $250k for not sending their fingerprints and address to the feds.
u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 15:49:28 UTC · score 2
Auto mod didn’t like the first version… oops
u/MajorStoney · 2025-06-30 15:27:43 UTC · score 4
Put simply: Gun owners don’t want big brother to know what they’ve got at home in the safe.
I’m of the opinion that we don’t wanna just give anyone a gun or a silencer without a bit of due diligence but that’s not a popular belief ‘round these parts 😅
u/i0datamonster · 2025-06-30 15:59:43 UTC · score 3
Ironic, given what Trump is letting Planitir do. The people worried about Big Brother are crying about a broken ice cream machine on a sinking cruise ship. Big brother is dead. Big Data is thriving and doesn't require you to comply with providing information about what you own.
We're probably months away from massive gun control measures that MAGA will celebrate after Trump tells them they have to disarm some imaginary threat from a perceived out group. Then, when they lose their guns, r/leopardsatemyface will be flooded by shocked morons.
u/MajorStoney · 2025-06-30 16:56:43 UTC · score 4
To me, Big Data is just a new mask for Big Brother to wear. It’s still, at its core, controlled by people.
u/i0datamonster · 2025-06-30 18:49:29 UTC · score 3
It is, but it's much more reckless. The IC took the lesson. The public doesn't support mass surveillance. It will, however, use free services and pay for monthly subscriptions that do the same thing.
u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 16:39:53 UTC · score 2
Oh trust me I am absolutely opposed tho all of that BS, really hate the portion of the BBB that prevents any regulation on AI as it will prevent its misuse in mass surveillance. I was just focused on the HPA/SHORT act as that was the topic at hand.
u/digital_dissociation · 2025-06-30 15:31:11 UTC · score 12
I would argue that a 4473 and a NICS check is plenty of due diligence (which you would still have to do for suppressors and guns regardless of their NFA status).
u/MajorStoney · 2025-06-30 15:37:35 UTC · score 1
I would agree. I just know I’ve seen several people on this website, as well as hearing it at local gun ranges, call for the abolishment of any sort of checks and balances.
It’s an issue with no simple answer and will require give and take from both sides. Neither side really wants to listen to the other when it comes to gun violence but that’s a whole different issue.
u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 15:40:21 UTC · score 8
I mean in Europe silencers are over the counter items…
u/MajorStoney · 2025-06-30 15:47:11 UTC · score 1
And how about the firearms you attach them to?
u/digital_dissociation · 2025-06-30 15:52:08 UTC · score 1
I mean, Switzerland (depending on the canton) has a licensure system where as long as you have the correct license, you can buy what you want without extra background checks.
I would actually prefer a system sort of like that, except it's like 2 tiers: semiauto and full auto. No license required for manually operated guns.
u/MajorStoney · 2025-06-30 16:55:38 UTC · score 5
You know getting the “correct license” would include far more scrutiny than we currently face, right…?
u/digital_dissociation · 2025-06-30 19:13:51 UTC · score 1
Not really. It's kind of like getting a CCW license. You submit forms to the state police, maybe take a class or test.
There is other stuff like requiring a "purpose" for ownership (collecting, sport shooting, hunting, etc.), and depending on what you have and where there may be storage requirements. If it were up to me I wouldn't include that, because frankly I think they're stupid, but I would still take that stuff over a 4473, NFA paperwork, transfer fees, and all that other bullshit.
u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 15:48:09 UTC · score 8
Already a controlled item in the US….
u/MajorStoney · 2025-06-30 16:54:48 UTC · score 2
And what’s that got to do with the price of .223 in America? You bring up silencers being readily available in a country that has harsher gun laws than we do. Try to pick a better argument.
u/Beatcan · 2025-06-30 19:21:32 UTC · score 3
How does silencers being removed from the NFA change the price of .223? And it is a perfect example because even these countries that hate firearms recognize that silencers are not a dangerous item but are in fact PPE and a courteous thing to use when shooting.