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The computer literacy of the younger generations is also alarming. While they're pretty intuitive about using an app's advertised features, they don't seem interested in "exploring" computers and their capabilities like slightly older people.
What I'm saying is that the ability to convert to PDF lies exclusively with Millennials
There is a small subsection of gen z that is absurdly tech literate and the rest can mostly operate a search engine
I'm older Gen Z and I notice the same. I'll ssh to a computer across the house rather than go turn it off manually, and my friends use tik tok for their search engine. Its an ever widening gap too since things have become so convenient for the uninformed.
Oh wow you are indeed a lot smarter
The same is actually true for millennials as well. And gen X and boomers. As if it was a specific skill set one can learn.
It's due to the fact that we are the BRIDGE GENERATION ... the generation that lived in a world without the internet or modern technology but got a front row seat in seeing it all come to what it is now. The generation before us were too old to care about the new things that were coming out so they never took the time to learn about it all. We were just the right age to be young enough to be interested and old enough to learn about it. The generation after us have only ever know the modern internet and modern locked in devices we have today, so they didn't have the interest or patience to want to learn about it all. We grew up in a time when computer systems ran like molasses so it was slow enough for us to have an opportunity to learn about how they worked and ran. We learned to tear apart computers and computer parts, put them back together and figure out how to run them. When we couldn't afford to buy the latest software, we became pirates and crackers .. and eventually, we learned to use Linux and open source software while also keeping our foot in Windows and for some of us with a bit more money, a foot in Mac as well. Now the tech world is becoming more and more locked in with software and hardware ... it is getting harder for anyone to see what's inside the box or to even figure out how to take it apart, rearrange it or swap parts or even to adjust anything. Young people just buy a solid state phone and they will never know or want to know what a CPU, RAM, SSD, HDD, GPU, PSU mean ... and whenever that thing breaks down, they just chuck it, buy another one and start all over again.
I mentioned this before in another thread
https://lemmy.ca/comment/12440511
So many of my millennial colleagues don't know shit. Tell them they can click with their mouse wheel and you blow their minds.
I think it's just about what interests people. And most people on Lemmy are more tech literate and have more tech literate friends in the same age bracket, thus skewing their perception.
Lot of younger gen x did all of that shit, with even less documentation and less mainstream support and community.
I once had to (try to) explain to a millennial how to type an URL into his browser's address bar. To him, Internet and Google were literally synonymous. To this day, I can't get over it.
Even with millennials, I feel like there's a big chunk who still barely have any understanding. At least I assume most know a file system exists (ie know of folders and such), but most would think it's synonymous with the gui software they use to explore it and would have no idea how to even start navigating it by command-line or even imagine it's possible to using an alternative interface to the one that came with the OS. Whereas younger gens that grew up on iPhones that hide the file system would have no clue. And the older generations frequently just used the desktop for everything.
I just had this exchange with my few years younger girlfriend who counts as a zoomer:
Me: So go into the Canon app and select from there the file you want to print
Her: ...
Me: (showing on the phone) So go there, and now just browse for the file.
Her: uhh...
Me: Where did you save the file?
Her: I don't know.
Me: Uh, so where is it?
Her: In the PDF app
She's really smart, she uses Linux, she laughs about some of her same age and younger friends not having a clue about files and folders and stuff but phone is where this happens hah
To be fair, phone OSes go out of their way to obscure where files go for some reason. Android's filesystem is somewhat arcane even when it's completely transparent, and it's mostly hidden behind apps that just say "Saved" or "Downloaded" and I'm left asking "okay but where!?"
EDIT: I suppose it's not necessarily the OS's fault but more of the app culture
I believe this was the reason hah. Pictures are in the picture app, documents are in the documents app...
People should install a good file explorer like Cx, it actually shows where the files are....i also use it to access my nas and stream video from there.
This os only true if the apps play nice. Some save stuff in their own arcane space, never to be seen again.
How can someone who uses linux not establish knowing her phones folder structure and app folder usage?
She uses Linux but mostly out of dislike of Windows and not because she's tech enthusiasts. I'm her on-premises tech support for the system
Tbf, phones needlessly obscures file storage. Like why do I have to have a specific third party app just to have the normal file management functionality
3 years ago i gifted my (then 6yo) son my old computer and basically left him alone to figure out(with parental controls). Whenever he wants to do something complex he asks me, but he is learning stuff on his own. I uninstalled YouTube (it had a shortcut on the desktop. I just removed it) and he figured out how to browse to it. The other day he remember a browser game he liked so he googled it and then asked me how to scroll down to see the full game.
I hope this becomes a real useful skill that is not forgotten once AIs can do everything and we probably interact by voice commands
As a Gen-X, I taught my millennial son how to build a computer (and he knows much more than me now). I assure you I know how to find where on the menu to convert to PDF. I also know how to do it via something like Gimp, or other tools. I also know when to not convert it to PDF. :p
From my observation there is a rare subspecies of gen xers who are frighteningly good with computers and by that I mean they cause me the biggest headaches and then there is the ultra rare gen x pc god who will flex their powers at every chance.
Shoutout to that dad who helped us find and fix an error in our spf record đ
Yanno I thought about ending my post with "of course there's exceptions for every generation", but I thought as much would be common sense and could be assumed.
My father, born in the 50's, is also very tech literate, but his existence doesn't mean there's not a trend with boomers to be technologically challenged.
You could also just admit you forgot about Gen-X, who grew up in the time when computers became houshold items.
That may be more Xennials, a limited cross-breed of the two that grew as computers started moving into public use. Older Gen-X grew up knowing both the world before computers and the one during their spread, so some of us had opportunity to learn as it evolved.
I'm always on the fence with the generation stuff. I think logically it's about as valid as astrology, and yet sometimes it seems that it fits people.
True about the astrology part. Also, I'm Dutch, and some of our sociologists have a different take on our generations. They usually have the boomers born between 40-55, gen-x between 55-70, the "pragmatic generation" or "fries generation" between 70-early eighties and then the millenials. The pragmatic generation would probably overlap with your Xennials.
It's a close match. It seems to get messier as the generations get younger. Xennials in the US were a very narrow window that mirrored the entry into the computer age. Of course the easier route many take is to just call someone older a Boomer and younger a millennial, ignoring the fact that millennials are reaching midlife now.
I didn't forget about them, I've just met many tech illiterate gen-x'ers which has informed my opinion here.
Fair enough, but I've also met plenty of millenials of whom I could say the same. Which actually isn't that much of a problem, I've also met plenty of people from all ages who would hurt themselves with a cordless drill. Somehow the world is still turning.
There is absolutely exceptions, and the whole generation thing is a bit ridiculous if carried too far. I didn't take your point that seriously, just saw an opportunity to provide my own example. I will also add that my father (a Boomer/silent gen) was a smart person, mechanically gifted, even a patent holder, yet he could not for the life of him figure out computers. It was a baffling disconnect. My son, who I mentioned as being far smarter in tech than I could be now, is not mechanically inclined and will admit to that. So yeah, everyone has their skills... if anything I think of myself as a jack of many trades that I'm decent in, but none that I excel high in.
That's honestly quite interesting because all around my presense I hear a lot of sw engineer guys my age or younger.
Like outside of my computer engineering uni, one of my dancing teacher is aspiring to learn coding, I hear guys talking about software dev stuffs on my bus occasionally and such. I'm 24 for reference, so that's just barely gen z tbf
Hi I'm not a millennial, yet I do enjoy my beloved pdftk.
Though it may have to do with a suspected level of neurodivergence.