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[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 105 points 2 weeks ago

I've always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 134 points 2 weeks ago

Ideals don’t matter to them, what matters is spreading their propaganda far and wide.

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 73 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I've been alive.

They don't care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it's a lie while they smile and say they're being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.

Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.

[-] birdwing 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They lie because they believe they'll be part of the "in-group", while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.

They are fools, but not to be underestimated.

[-] Maiq@piefed.social 28 points 2 weeks ago

A lot if it is sowing dissent and breaking discourse as well.

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 45 points 2 weeks ago

Same reason why tankies don't just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.

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[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as "they get off on ruining your day cuz they're miserable pieces of shit." Speaking from experience.

[-] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you are feeling less miserable now.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks. Take lots of psychedelics, everyone.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 2 weeks ago
[-] treyf711@eviltoast.org 8 points 2 weeks ago

People can change. Even if that baby thinks they can’t.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Even if that baby thinks they can’t.

I worry you're right.

That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Tl;dr version:

Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say "it's not doing anything" and also take your sister-in-law's portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you're on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to...)

Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago

they want attention, which is why magat are so desperate for trump to recognize them.

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[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 weeks ago

They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like “fuck off nazis” there will be a few people that are like “oh hey you have some good ideas”.

That’s why they’ve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can that’s sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them

[-] birdwing 7 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe us commies and socialists need to do it the same way, work against them.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 25 points 2 weeks ago

Free platforms like the Fediverse would actually suit conservative ideals of freedom quite well.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

If they cared about ideals, that is.

[-] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 weeks ago

Since when do conservatives follow conservative ideals of freedom?

That's a reason why it won't work - see Reddit's r/Conservative which lists every post as "approved speech only" aka "flaired users only".

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago

and the mods are associated with Russia too, not surprising why its the most repressive sub,(after the others got banned years ago)

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[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 12 points 2 weeks ago

If those were the ideals, the Kimmel and Colbert firings never would’ve happened.

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

They need an audience to perform for. When ever you see a social media "safe space" for conservatives (Voat, Truth Social, etc.) they almost always wither and die. They need people to blame for being everything wrong with the world as well as react to their terrible takes, otherwise there's no point in shouting their outrage and anger on the internet.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's fine. But how do they feel about beans?

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago

If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.

[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

They got to emigrate the istance users aswell. Seems like a loosing game.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If the thousand instance users are controlled by three people, it's not that hard.

We might not be there yet though. Elections are far enough out.

I expect 95% of Lemmy to be propaganda and manipulation when we get closer. There's only so much that can be done to keep out nation states when all the users are anonymous.

And when you put your real name on things, you get cancelled.

It's a bad time for the Internet, and I don't have easy answers. Just be very aware that what seems to be "consensus" opinion might actually be twenty accounts controlled by the same guy or organization. They might even argue with each other, and just have the side they want to lose present weak arguments.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

or they infilitrate instances by creating an account in there and just troll.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

Because this place isn't censored for their side, they're trying to break it.

[-] wizblizz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Ideals? You mean diet fascism?

[-] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

They don't want their own spaces as much as making other people's spaces are theirs too - aka "This is why we can't have nice things"

[-] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

What's the problem of those right-wing dipshits having their own instance? I'm trying to understand this perspective you all seem to have here.

Someone please elaborate the hesitancy of us accepting MAGA extremists having their own federated community?

[-] cm0002@piefed.world 36 points 2 weeks ago

Nobody is saying that they can't, mostly what you'll get is calls for defederation.

Calling for defederation is a matter of simply not accepting content or voting from the targeted instance. Everyone has the right to spin up an instance for whatever they believe, but everyone else also has the right to not pass your content through their servers or display it to their users

This isn't to call to shut them down, this is to raise awareness so people can update block lists, instance admins to investigate/check with their users/mods on what they want to do

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, isn't truth social part of activitypub, just defederated.. like Mastodon instances probably have blocks up if truth social doesn't have it on their end

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

They can have it. We just don't want to federate with them, which doesn't prevent them from having their own instance all for themselves.

[-] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

They're totally allowed to, just as we're totally allowed to defederate or block or whatever. The question is why are they here, when they have taken over all the mainstream places and don't really need a federated niche community.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.

[-] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are you the type that asks a cockroach or ant infestation to politely go away as well?

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

You’re not making much sense to me. I ask this sincerely and without prejudice or malice. Are you feeling alright? Do you believe that having someone to talk to might help?

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Because they are trolls whose purpose is to actively harm everybody else. They do not deserve our tolerance.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?

They're allowed to make an instance, the software can't stop them. They're not required to be federated with.

Just like how you can say anything you want, you're not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Before Trump, the "traditional" social media was likely pushing the Democrats' agenda (like the Twitter files under the guise of more moderation. Now the tactic is being used by the Trump administration just more in the open and in more traditional media (Jimmy Kimmel). Big media is such an easy target for govt influence when it's all ad supported.

I'd bet they see the writing on the wall that the government has too much influence in social media. So this time they don't want to be caught with their pants down when Democrats come back into power. The other thing I feel is on the horizon is the end of the ad supported internet. I've said it before, be prepared to do it yourself or pay for it. I guarantee the guys behind this instance is in the do it yourself camp.

Disclaimer: I am libertarian and view both DNC and GOP as different sides of the same authoritarian coin. Right wing flavored, left wing flavored, both are disgusting when it's authoritarianism.

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