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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

Well, that's not what Jesus taught though. Jesus taught that there's a plan and you need to work at it to fulfill your part of it.

That's pretty much the same thing every religion and most philosophies teach.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 2 points 15 hours ago

I think that's only true if you use the word 'plan' incredibly loosely

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

I liked the idea that god has a perfect plan and its all going to work out in the end and he's got it all under control. Then one day I sat down to try and read the bible. Within 5 minutes of reading god makes everything from nothing, then basically says "whoops" and nukes everything and starts again.

Sorta makes me a little nervous.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

Everyone knows that SimCity is much more fun with disasters turned on

[-] dandelion 1 points 13 hours ago

for the Reformed folks that believe in TULIP, salvation is through God's grace alone

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

That's a pretty small group through. Most Christians believe you need to do something to get to heaven.

[-] ccunix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

No, that is absolutely NOT what Christians believe. Certainly all protestants believe the salvation comes 100% through grace, not works. Catholic and Orthodox is more complicated, but even they believe works are a symptom of grace, not the other way around.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Protestants believe you need to have faith in Christ to be saved, and that will lead you to wanting to do good works. They're basically Catholics, but without the church institutions being central to salvation.

For Catholics and many other churches, you need to be baptised to be saved. For Catholicism specifically, this is done by your parents while a child, but it is also required for converts to be saved.

Born again Christians require a profession of faith and repentence. That's not a high bar there, but it's still a thing you need to do.

Calvinists believe in predestination, meaning your salvation is already determined, believe that those who will be saved will demonstrate certain behaviours, thus encouraging people to do things to convince themselves they're part of that elite group.

So generally speaking, Christians believe you need to do something to be saved.

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