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this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2025
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Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.
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In other news, bodhidave reported a case of Google AI and ChatGPT making identical citation fuck-ups:
Even if they aren't actively relying on each other here I would assume that we're reaching a stage where all of the competing LLMs are using basically the entire Internet as their training data, and while there is going to be some difference based on the reinforcement learning process there's still going to be a lot of convergence there.
Plus, there's the hefty amount of AI slop that's been shat onto the Internet over the years, plus active attempts to sabotage LLM datasets through tarpits like Iocaine and Nepenthes, and media-poisoning tools like Glaze and Nightshade.
So, if and when model collapse fully sets in, its gonna hit all of them at once. Given that freshly trained LLMs are gonna be effectively stillborn, if ChatGPT et al. collapse, it'll likely kill LLMs as a tech for at least the next ten years.
The true meaning of "pooping back and forth forever"
sick reference. I don’t even know how I knew this.
heh, I'm too basic to make a deep cut like that, I just went through a Cards Against Humanity phase in grad school!