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[-] hakase@lemmy.zip 58 points 1 month ago

Russia and China, on the other hand? Entirely straightforward and transparent in their reporting. No disinformation campaigns there, no sir.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago

i think russia takes the #1 in the aggressive propaganda platforms out there, they devote significant resources to do it too. hence why you see the sudden rise of right wing governments all over the world, the porn bans, age verfication.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One of the lines I see repeated with every business cycle is "China is lying about their economic data". Like, quarter after quarter, year after year, decade after decade.

At some point, you have to engage in a bit of meta-criticism. Why do you believe an enemy nation-state is secretly failing when only the lay residents of the rival power seem to be aware of it? What is your crystal ball and how is it showing information that's more reliable than the Goldman Sachs trading desk or the IMF analytics department?

So much of the time it seems like Yeomni Park is the source for every American's understanding of the outside world. And anyone who asserts a contrary view must be a shill, a bot, or a political extremist.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

Contrary view isn't purely praise and refused to accept the weakness of the country, which is the perspective you and the tankie definitely possessed. We're just stating the obvious and calling a shill shill.

I occasionally shit on china while also praise some of their aspect, i do it the same way for all the country.

[-] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I don't think clickbait youtube videos are a fair measure of American media reporting on China. Youtube is largely random users shouting into the void. They're going to frequently exaggerate or otherwise spread misinformation on any subject for attention or even simple ignorance. There's little to suggest it's controlled propaganda considering you'll likely find much more conspiracy critical of the American government than China's.

Since you seem to have a view different than most people here, do you trust China's reporting on itself more than that of reputable western media? If so, why?

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[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

Ehh, I guess you can lean into the capitalist garbage if you’d like. The US is having a swell time.

[-] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 60 points 1 month ago

Ah, yes, Russia and China are indeed bastions of anti-capitalism.

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

China’s working towards something nice while the EU and the US scream towards fascism. It’s the next stage of liberalism. It’s time to celebrate , you’ve made it to the end goal, again.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

Something nice

It’s just state capitalism.

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[-] guy@piefed.social 19 points 1 month ago

something nice

For everyone, right?

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

That is what socialism is, everyone.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

You too can work in 996 heaven, just mind the suicide nets.

The workers don’t own the means of production.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Real socialism is stateless, whn will china give the mean of production to the people?

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

They’ve stated the goal is by 2049.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Hilarious. When do you expect that goalpost will move?

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

What’s funny? They’re making incredible progress, and have an extremely high approval rating. Liberals seem to be in the dark on what’s going on beyond their borders.

[-] guy@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

What is this incredible progress? What is it measured in and why has it taken 75 years to not even be done? Glad to hear the CCP has extremely high approval rating. How are the political competitions rating in contrast and which non-state controlled institute made the polls?

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

You sure have a funny way of having a discussion. Rude right wingers.

Their economy is stable and growing rapidly. The citizens are enjoying modern conveniences, ie retirements, medical services, job security, the best public transportation in the world, etc. The grid is rapidly going renewable. Legislation is maturing to protect citizens. Growth across the board. The government asks for input from the people and they listen.

Your lack of knowledge isn’t an excuse for being a dick.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They've caused the extinction of several species. They directly contribute a huge amount of carbon and ozone degrading gases and increasingly do so every year. Their cities are flooding massively due to climate change.

Medical services aren't a modern convenience, especially not in China which has had available healthcare there for thousands of years. Neither is the idea of retirement as the Chinese people take care of their elders.

The Chinese government does not ask for input. The government is highly fascist and everything you say is very controlled. Try being gay in China. Try expressing political ideas against the current government. Remember the COVID whistleblowers in China? Remember Tibet?

There is NO safe sky daddy otherworldly government coming to save you or protect you or anyone. These wealthy people are in it for themselves and they are lying. Xi Jing Ping doesn't give a FUCK about you, China, his people, or socialism - he cares about power and having money. The global people are different than the leaders - THEY care about each other, their future as a collective, that things are just or fair. They are not their leaders.

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[-] guy@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

And how do the things you mentioned there further the handing over of the means of production to the workers?

Since there are no free speech in China, how can the party trust that the input they receive is correct?

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[-] guy@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

Damn, 100 years of unfulfilled promises. Do you think the communist party could have stayed in charge if China was a democracy?

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago
[-] guy@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Oh please.

Let me rephrase it for you: if China was a well functioning, pluralistic democracy with free contestation, right to opinion, assembly and everything else that makes a democracy a democracy, do you think the communist party could have sat for a 100 years with unfulfilled promises without the Chinese deciding someone else should have a go?

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago

lmao they are definittely having problems, it just not regularly represented in the news, because they suppress it. thier population issues, the evergrande,,,etc.

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

Is this what you’re seeing on MSNBC? Or is it one of the other billionaire owned western media sources?

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’m seeing it with my own eyes.

[-] breecher@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

China’s working towards something nice

You just provided me with the laugh of the day.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Something nice? Does Taiwan and Hong Kong feel that way? The Uyghers? How about the nations who rely on the South China Sea?

How about we the people of the world say no to slavery, no to genocide, and no to war, no matter what country tries to justify and use it? Stop being tricked into harming yourself

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

You’re a propaganda machine. Look at you go.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I accept your loss due to an inability to form a good faith argument.

Ps, there is no anarchist propaganda machine. Lol. Lmfao.

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