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Is that more houses that are unoccupied in the long-term or just unoccupied in general?
You'd also need to forcibly move the homeless population away from areas that have lots of homeless but no homes, to places with lots of homes but relatively few homeless. That means depopulating Los Angeles of homeless and instead moving them to... Maine, or Vermont, or Alaska, where there are lots of homes but nobody living in them.
Empty houses are relatively spread out pretty evenly. As in there are always more empty houses than homeless people.
There's an average of 38 empty houses per homeless person in the US. California has the lowest ratio and it is still 6 empty houses per homeless person.
Mississippi has the highest ratio with 205 empty houses per homeless person.
Again, is it empty because it's just sitting there, fully habitable and just accruing value, or is it empty because it's under renovation, or in-between purchases so someone up the chain is buying and the house is sitting vacant while it's being sold, but not for long enough for anyone else to be living there? Or currently sitting in legal limbo where a large number of people inherit a house and can't all agree to sell it? I don't know about the US but I know Malta has that problem where there needs to be consensus among all members of the estate before a property can be sold, so it sits empty, potentially for years.
When I worked in a rural county housing came in 3 forms: retirees who fully owned, rental tenants with absentee landlords (usually the children of deceases retirees), and then vacant homes.
Many were vacant for varieties of reasons. Some because they were vacation homes. Others because they were in some stage of the market (repair, and renovation). Others were empty nest situations and the owners lived abroad or out of state all winter/summer. (A lot of RV snowbirds) But then most prime real estate (lakefront properties) were just occupied a few weeks at a time by a rotating group of extended family and friends.
What was becoming a problem at the time (within the last decade) were the latter category becoming airBnBs and private equity investments because of their inherent value.
And those drive up the costs everywhere else, making everyone and everything clamp down because you can only take advantage of investment bubbles by leveraging debt, which is not a strategy people in need of housing csn make.
Which perpetuates the feedback loop.
There are a surpluss of houses in the us, because private equity is hoarding it. The total number of vacant houses has gone up every year since 2009.
Clearly there isnt a population explosion making the housing supply tight and overall empty houses that becoming occupied are being replaced with the now empty house they just moved out of.
And the empty house to homeless person ratio has been trending up for nearly 2 decades.
Why are people in those places? Would those reasons change if they were offered a home by someone fucking credible? Where do they prefer to live? Have you bothered to fucking ask? Im actually in los angeles, have skme good will with some clusters of unhoused people, please let me kniw if you want somebody to do that.
Maybe don't jump straight to coercion cruelty and 'depopulation'.
Like, offer the fucking houses. See who takes em,who doesn't. Ask why, then work on that and keep the offer up. Zero fucking 'forcible' 'depopulation' fucking required. Does liberalism just mean a coercion kink? Because if they don't actually stand for anything else-please explain; my parents were liberals, so id very much not like to think about the implications of being correct here.
Like, fuck, when i want children to eat better, my first thought isn't 'cut off their hands so it's harder for them to get junk food, zip tie them to a board, and put a tube down their throats. Shock them if they struggle.' Call me fucking crazy, but I try to fry up some broccoli or make an appealing salad or some shit before I reach for the machete and feeding tube.
Why should someone get to choose exactly where they want to live when they have nowhere to live currently? Not even the Soviet Union gave you that option. You were given an apartment, but you didn't get to choose where it was, you got an apartment where there was one available and where your job was. In the case of the unemployed, you technically also got an apartment, but that was because you couldn't legally be unemployed and were forced to work regardless.
So it's not a 'liberal' thing to forcibly move people to where there's housing, it's actually a Communist thing.
Good idea.