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R/trans is a fucking mess
(lemmy.world)
Not me, but if you’ve been following the drama, they removed this post about the unique issues we face as “divisive.”
It fucking sucks. There’s been a lot of discussion in other trans masc spaces about “transandrophobia” and this seems to absolutely demonstrate it. We aren’t treated seriously in spaces that should be welcoming for us.
People assume “trans” means trans woman. Spaces for trans people are often for trans women. Jamison Green wrote a while back about us not really having our own community, decades ago, and it still feels true today.
It just feels sometimes that we aren’t treated as “really” trans, that even in communities we should be respected in we are still viewed as our assigned sex at birth, that the same people who say “trans women are women” don’t really believe trans men are men.
And AFAB non-binary people get it a bit worse, from what I’ve seen.
I’ve noticed it in IRL spaces too, not just online. I don’t really hang out with other queer people anymore.
baffling to me because as far as i'm aware it's a fair bit easier for trans men to pass, testosterone is a hell of a drug
It being “easier” for us to pass is often used to justify treating us like shit. It’s assumed by many other LGBT people that you transition and magically get treated as a cis man by society.
Like yeah, at the store the cashier treats me as a guy. I don’t get cat called, I don’t get harassed in public.
But if I go to the doctor? What about how my family treats me? What about what happens when I’m in a “safe” space and disclose?
And it’s not always easier to pass for everyone. You can end up in still being read as female, TERFs and transphobes absolutely love mocking the way that our voices don’t always conform to masculine expectations.
The double fucking bind is that we aren’t “queer” enough to be welcomed by other queer people, but we are still too queer to be welcome in society. We are fucking invisible.
that makes sense!
It feels somewhat similar to how lesbians aren't seen as "threatening" as gay men. If it's doesn't "threaten" fragile cis straight men then it's not in the front of the discussion.
Dude there are still so many people even other trans people that think trans men and transmasc nonbinary people aren't actually real it's fucking wild. I've seen so many of them get treated by default like the only reason they transition is because they are so tired of misogyny they decided to join The Patriarchy to escape it.
It's like people literally believe "Eww, Men are evil who would want to be one willingly?" idk, I feel like that's a pretty strong argument that they are actually trans but what do I know?