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submitted 3 weeks ago by not_IO to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world

since yesterday.. oop: https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/114816283089805862

article: https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/07/unless-users-take-action-android-will-let-gemini-access-third-party-apps/

haven't found a public google announcement, the screenshot seems to be from emails

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[-] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 93 points 3 weeks ago

ok what phone should I get next

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago

Anything compatible with Graphene OS (https://grapheneos.org/); a second-hand Pixel will work best, if you can find one cheap. I use it as my daily driver on a Pixel 7a and it's great; it's the most stable and easiest-to-install custom ROM I've ever used, and I've been rooting my Android devices for over a decade now.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

So my Fairphone is not supported because the security updates aren't good enough. Serves me right trying to find an ethical approach to mobile computing.

I understand GrapheneOS' philosophy but buying a google product to get away from google software is certainly... a choice. Refurbished or not buying a Pixel would serve Google's interests, nevermind the fact that I bought my current phone a couple years ago hoping to get close to a decade of use out of it.

Realistically software freedom on mobile phones is doomed until the industry improves the firmware situation. Every project suffers from severe drawbacks because of it.

[-] pmtriste@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Fairphone should be clean, because it is degoogled

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

It doesn't have the worst of google apps, but it still runs Play Services with all its opaqueness and potential spyware. So Gemini should hopefully not be an issue but GrapheneOS would still be nice to have.

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

If you want to keep your Fairphone and ditch android, Fairphone 4 and 5 both appear to be well supported by Ubuntu Touch. The downside is that Ubuntu Touch is currently still based on the 2020 LTS release of Ubuntu (which does still get updates, at least). Fairphone 4 is also somewhat supported by postmarketOS, but call support there is listed as "partial".

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I hear you! Hardware fragmentation is a serious issue, very difficult to deal with as a small team, so I can't hold it against them, but I really wish I had been able to put it on my old Note 9 instead of buying a Pixel 😑 (doesn't have to be a Pixel, there are other supported devices, but it's easiest and works best)

Have you tried CalyxOS (https://calyxos.org/)? Review from a year ago seems pretty good (fair warning: Reddit link). I'm keeping Calyx in my back pocket in case Graphene goes tits up.

[-] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.

Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back

[-] Denjin@lemmings.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I use multiple banking apps on my Graphene phone, the only thing it doesn't support is contactless payments.

[-] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Oh that's unfortunate, but I guess it wouldn't have Google wallet on it huh

[-] Denjin@lemmings.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

You can get a watch that you run Google wallet on instead but to be honest I don't really miss contactless and just use my physical card instead.

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yes it does? At least for me the "Sicher Bezahlen" app many German banks use for NFC payments works flawlessly.

Or are you referring to the proprietary Google Pay software? This isn't supported I believe.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, I've used all my apps pretty seamlessly. I had to turn on "exploit protection compatibility mode" for some of them like banking, but they work fine. You can get Google Play, and it runs in a sandbox, but I use Obtainium and Aurora Store (Aurora in particular would be of interest to you, it's just a frontend for the Google Play store which allows anonymous connections: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.aurora.store/). I moved to Aegis for my 2FA because I was looking for a way out of the Twilio/Authy ecosystem. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't report back on how those work.

[-] mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Is there an easy way to migrate everything into graphene or do I have to start fresh?

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

If your current device supports LineageOS, you can install that. I've got no traces of Gemini on my Pixel 7, even with "gapps" installed.

[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago
[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Ideally none at all. A linux phone if you have to have one.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago

We can't all be Jack White. I've tried. You cannot live in this society with no phone. Unless you have no friends and no job.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Can't even get on the bus or easily apply for government programs/loans, or review your medical anything online without an app now in my province. There's workarounds but they are not accessible.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

what's a linux phone? I thought android was written on Linux

[-] not_IO 2 points 3 weeks ago

android is heavily modified unix afaik. Linux is not, it uses gnu. the only linux based os i am aware off is postmarketOS

[-] evidences@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Unless it's changed Android is built on a modified Linux kernel.

[-] not_IO 9 points 3 weeks ago

refurbished pixel > version 8, and graphene and pray android stays open source, otherwise idk brickphone for emergency only tbh

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

I’m considering a pine phone, but honestly idk.

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 2 points 3 weeks ago

one that supports calyx os

[-] evujumenuk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

It depends on whether you're using apps that require Play Integrity attestation, like some banking apps do.

If that's the case, consider the humble iPhone!

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Apple likes to pretend they aren't evil since they're just evil in a different way than google.

[-] evujumenuk@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No ethical consumption under capitalism, amirite?

People wanna buy phones though.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

At least with Google they don't make the cornerstone of their branding lies (we are super focused on YOUR privacy), and you actually have some choice in how you use your phone.

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