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As long as he's associated with Tesla, even if he steps out of government work, the damage is done. Even if the board boots him as CEO, it's going to take a LOT of work, PR, outreach, and time to undo the stink Musk has left on the company.
Never forgive Tesla
I mean... Volkswagen was created by literal Nazis...
Companies aren't sentient beings
Tell that to Citizens United
What a group of bozos. But that's not what I meant at all. I wouldn't hold a grudge against an inanimate object, or an imaginary constuct, regardless of if some malicious law defined them as people.
I do. I haven't been to an Exxon gas station in 35 years, nor a BP in 15, and I've never used a gas station flying a confederate flag. Fuck those imaginary constructs and anyone who flies their banners.
So no VW, no Mercedes, no Toyota, no Ford, and so on. Confederate flag still actively stands for some real garbage, so it doesn't count.
Yeah well actually that's all true. Have never owned any of those and probably never will. I'm not sure who you're counting in and so on, but unless it includes GM and Chrysler it has turned out that way mainly by happy coincidence.
I started with whichever I can at least loosely link to ww2 atrocities off the top of my head. GM destroyed a lot of public transit, but there's probably better reasons that I just don't know.
Yes, they wanted to sell busses, tires, petrol and everything else surrounding the products GM (and the co-conspirators) dealt in. So they bought up and dismantled functioning rail services and replaced them with bus lines. Greed was the reason at the expense of the American people. Again.
An American tale.
I mean no company is innocent and the grudges I chose to hold are completely arbitrary. However one point you made was that the confederate flag is presently still a symbol of racism and slavery. Exxon and BP both fought hard to limit the damages they had to pay. Many people died without ever receiving compensation because their pockets were so deep that they could just wait out the survivors.
The fact that they are still in business and they have never fully compensated victims for their own willful negligence means that they represent an ongoing miscarriage of justice.
But mostly the arbitrary thing.
You misspelled Bezos.
They don't exist without them though, and it is sometimes necessary to make a point to all companies and their sentient rulers by e.g. boycotting them, forever.
Yeah, I'd classify about everyone still at tesla a pos or worse. 30 years from now, maybe not.
they're something much worse. they're a collection of sentient beings influencing the world without accountability because no single one of them is the responsible party
Hey, now. Nikola Tesla did nothing wrong.
They'll probably just retire the brand, slap on a new name and logo and keep business as usual and just have Muskrat in the background like some sort of evil wizard, like Saruman casting spells from his dark cave and collecting money
VW managed to transition from nazi image to hippies.
Not just VW; lots of European brands (and some American!) have successfully managed to atone (or bury, depending on how charitable you feel) their actions before and during WWII.
If a company is older than a century, look at their history and see how many of them kinda pretend they didn't exist from 1930-1945.
Lots of good points being made, however, there's a point in time where it stops mattering entirely. Holding a company responsible for its acts during WW2 is no different than holding the current German govt responsible for the Holocaust. We are at the point where the company that exists today is run by people with zero (or very few) ties to the people who ran those companies during WW2.
As mentioned, VW is one such company. The VW that ran during WW2 was completely shredded. VW today only exists thanks to the British who decided to resurrect it.
Saruman at least had charisma and was a badass. Musk is more of a Wormtongue type.
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And their valuation will go in the crapper. musk IS Tesla. Without him, how do you rationalize that insane P/E?