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Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024 by chasing Republicans who they thought would vote, "not Trump." They won in 2020 by offering a progressive economic vision. There is no evidence to support the idea that Republican voters will be easier to earn.
Trust me guys, this time the Republicans will finally be done with Trump!
"C'mon guys, just a little further to the right and we'll start winning! Ignore the last four times we lost by doing this and remember the one time it worked in 1992!"
Democrats won the majority of elections since the 90s.
And only one candidate (Clinton) won by going to the right. Obama ran as a progressive (and governed as a centrist-technocrat) while Biden ran on a progressive platform (which he couldn't get passed because of Manchin and Sinema).
Well, and because it was a pack of lies from the start.
I will give him credit for trying fairly hard to get his agenda through, especially in the first 2 years. He kept trying to find ways to get student loans forgiven without Congress, even when the courts repeatedly blocked him, and he did try to get some parts of Build Back Better that got cut in 2021 into the Inflation Reduction Act. He certainly tried harder than Obama to deliver on his platform.
He then abandoned the populous economic platform in 2024 and tried to pretend that letting most of his agenda get blocked by his own party was a huge accomplishment. He also tried to get to Trump's right on immigration, materially supported a genocide, and refused to step down despite clear cognitive issues, so all-in-all, 2024 was a bad campaign.
Not as far as centrists are concerned. They got everything they wanted. They got their genocide. They got to betray immigrants and trans people, they got to have a presidential election without a primary, they're still getting their genocide, they're still getting republican immigration policy, and they're still getting anti-trans hate. Plus, they get to blame the left they spent the entire campaign alienating and saying they didn't need.
and 10 other DINOS, machin and sinema were just the lightning rod for critcisim, for the ones that are afraid of getting primaried.
I once read a tweet that was something to the effect of, "The number of Democrats needed to pass meaningful legislation is always (N-1), where N=The Current Number of Democrats in Congress." I think about that a lot.
Obama won because he appealed to centrists
He ran on a public healthcare option, bailing out homeowners, regulating banks, closing Gitmo, ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saying he appealed to centrists is revisionist nonsense.
Those are liberal policies not leftist. Saying Obama was a leftist is revisionist nonsense.
No, this was the liberal policy.
Obama won by running to Clinton's left.
centrists have a 27% approval rating for a reason.
Which is better than progressives approval rating for a reason.
Got numbers for that or are you lying yet again?
Yeah I got them from the same source as OPs “27%”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-low-voters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161
Here's a source for the 27% figure. Now where's your source?
The person that posted that number wasn’t you. How could you know their source unless you are using it as an alt account or lying?
There's this thing on the internet called a search engine. I just looked up "democrats 27%" without the quotes.
Now where's your source?
Why the progressive ‘Squad’ is getting smaller after defeats this primary cycle
That's odd. I don't see a listed approval rating. You said it was lower and I would like to compare the numbers.
All that article tells me is that AIPAC can buy primary candidates.