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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

Uh..I'm sorry to tell you, but republicans and Trump won. Everything that is happening right now is happening under republican rule. Sitting in your own piss abd blaming others don't work anymore!

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do you realize that Gaza has been completely flattened under Kamala Harris? Agent Orange is now bombing the ruins of Genocide Joe. Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 28 points 1 week ago

Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.

Correction: she would let Israel do as it pleases without officially cheering them on.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago

Liberals will jump up and down at handwringing genocide versus full blown genocide due to this weird utilitarianism they're clinging to as their empire crumbles.

Biden's constituents wanted an end to the genocide in Gaza. Biden ignored these constituents. Biden lost. That is how democracy works, and this outcome was more American than apple pie.

Screw the liberals who say that withholding votes to pressure politicians (the entire point of a democracy) is somehow fascist.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 1 week ago

... is somehow fascist.

I don't think anyone is saying it's fascist. Just that it's fucking stupid.

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Big difference!!! We don't need to hear what they gonna do, it's easier to ignore when they told us nothing!

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago

Do you realize that Gaza has been completely flattened under Kamala Harris?

I think you've got your flashcards mixed up, comrade. You meant "Genocide Joe."

Words are hard, especially English with all the "yours" and "theres" but keep trying!

[-] GreyAlien@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

So the mask comes off. Rather than encouraging the exchange of ideas with people who make the effort of using a language other than their own, you resort to insults…. pathetic.

[-] prole 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This has to be my favorite tactic: ignore every actual, thoughtful reply that contains points you cannot refute, and instead find the one snarky reply that was never meant to be informative or change anyone's opinion, and reply to that one pretending that the position is weak because it's the only response.

Classic move.

[-] GreyAlien@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I already gave my opinion in this comment section. The people parroting "Kamala lost because of Pro-Palestinians" are ostriches that cannot look at themselves in the mirror due to their egocentrism. So when they fail all they can do to heal their hurt feelings is to scapegoat the weakest they have in hand rather than unit and fight back against extremism of all sorts.

Like at what point is it a fact and a reality that Pro-Palestinians had so much influence over the elections that it made trump win? like come on even if they all voted for her nothing would have changed.

Focus on the real issue, responsibility of the US and the international community, the situation is much older and complex than this idiotic debate about trump/biden/kamala.

There is currently a Genocide yet people keep changing subject with bs story.

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Huh. Didn’t realize Harris got elected. Someone should tell orangeboi.

Seriously dude: your first sentence is fully nonsense.

[-] 5in1k@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Yes, the vice president controls the military. For sure, the military of another country. The tie vote for the senate, yeah ok.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Where was the Palestinian on stage at the DNC?

[-] toofpic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

When was that "under Kamala"? Is it in this room with us right now?

[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

Spare us your piffle.

[-] prole 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.

Uh huh.... She would be talking about building a golf course over the ruins of Gaza? You sure about that?

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Is building a golf course your red line, not genocide?

[-] prole 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Straw man city. You motherfuckers just cannot help it.

What does it say about the strength of one's position when you have to, so frequently, resort to straw manning?

I'll take my answer off the air.

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Donald Trump says a lot of things. What he did was get them two months of relative peace. That would not have happened under Kamala, there would be no intermission to "resume" bombing from, there would just still be bombing. If Kamala wanted those voters then she should have broke from Biden's support of Israel, which she did not do and is not how you get a ceasefire done with Israel. No, what she said is that we would have the "most lethal military" in the face of Palestinians her campaign blocked from speaking at the DNC. Biden said he had red lines, but never did anything when Israel crossed them.

That is how democracy works, you have to earn votes. "Vote for me or else" is not a fucking popular platform for what should be very obvious reasons.

Is it really more important to you to attack these voters and hold back the discourse, over 4 months after the election, as your government is breaking every rule in the book and your party is playing right along with it? The election result is not going to change no matter how many people you throw under the bus for it. These are the cards you were dealt, it's time to move on and play spades.

[-] prole 4 points 1 week ago

It must feel empowering to only hold positions that are impossible to prove or disprove. Super brave.

Meanwhile, anyone living in the real world that is actually paying attention knows that what is happening now (in the US and in Gaza) is not normal and is not what any Democratic President would be doing. You are only embarrassing yourself when you pretend otherwise.

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[-] PointyReality@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Biden was pressuring Israel to act but also to do so with civilians in mind and to allow humanitarian efforts or risk getting cut off from military aid. Also the line that Kamala most probably would have towed as well. This is for those familiar with global politics is expected between long standing allies ( something Trump is currently failing at every stage currently). Meanwhile Orange Musolini has basically said “Have at it, also that spot there would be great for a hotel”. So I fail to see how you could even compare the two. But sure I guess if you happened to fail to grasp the nuance in global politics.

Unless you happened to have another point to make that is more substantive then “bOth PaRtIeS”.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago
[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

May you live in interesting times.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

No, they didn't apply any genuine pressure, just empty rhetoric while continuing to provide billions worth of weapons unconditionally while Netanyahu ignored every "red line" with zero consequences. Biden is a self-proclamed Zionist, he had no issue with the genocide. All the empty rhetoric was just theater

The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.

Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Reduce the influence of parties by passing state level electoral reform. Replace of First-past-the-post voting, use a voting system that let's voters transfer their vote if their first pick didn't win. Give 3rd parties the opportunity to participate without a spoiler effect.

You do support democracy right?

[-] PointyReality@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

May I ask what you wrote has to do with anything about the article or what I wrote?

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Biden was pressuring Israel to act

idiot

[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

They're not comparing the two. They're equating them. Comparing is what you're doing. It's a good thing. You compared them and decided Trump is worse. The spy you're talking to won't compare them, and that's bad.

[-] PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

You are correct, I should have said equating them towards the end of my point. You are also correct that the opposing side always equates both political sides as essentially the same while failing to recognise the stark differences between them. Although both sides are not perfect, it’s not a nuanced difference like it was before MAGA crazy took over.

[-] puchaczyk 11 points 1 week ago

Selling lgbt people, ethnic minorities, immigrants, poor people dependent on social programs only to gain... nothing. What a deal...

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

First they came for the Palestinians. And you did not speak out because you are not a Palestinian.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 9 points 1 week ago

We absolutely spoke up you fucking dolt

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

WTF why didn't the candidates care? Maybe we need to vote Blue No Matter Who even harder.

[-] prole 7 points 1 week ago

No, we did speak up. We just also understand basic causality.

[-] GreyAlien@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

so edgy

ʕ ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°ʔ

edit: totally not edgy

[-] prole 4 points 1 week ago

Edgy? How is that edgy or showing an intention of being edgy? Weird deflection attempt tbh

[-] GreyAlien@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

My sincere apologies mr causality for implying you were edgy, I know now that my words about you being edgy could be upsetting, I take them back.

[-] prole 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Eh? Bro, what? You ok?

[-] prole 6 points 1 week ago

Holy shit do you have a camera that takes photos of alternate timelines?

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Were you not here for the last year of Biden's presidency or something?

[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

You wear a collar.

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