IDK about other people but it makes me feel sick to the stomach being federated with such content. I don't really have any problems with Lemm.ee as a whole but I feel like having an uncritical Nazi salute on the network goes against everything Blahaj stands for.
I think modern conservatism is a sign of deficient cognitive ability and lack of empathy, but I don’t think we should outright block them. That’s the sort of thing they advocate. If they’re celebrating a nazi salute, sure. Let’s get rid of them. But we should be better than they. Of course, this makes me sound like a lib when I’m actually a Leftist, but I’m just trying not to discriminate.
Rightwing people: you suck for delivering us this living hell.
The biggest issue is that EVERY community they've formed in the past has ended up as nothing more than an echo chamber for them to justify their OWN views and eventually censoring ANY form of external input.
maybe the key is forcing them to interact with regular people who don't like them, idk. i'm old and tired and getting older and tireder by the day. just force them to face consequences for their bullshit over and over until they get it. make a shitty community? disband the community. make a shitty meme? remove the shitty meme. be a shitty person? ban the shitty person.
As someone who used to be stuck in that I couldn't agree more. It absolutely is a lack of empathy and cognitive ability, but also it persists because they think it's cool and accepted. I know that's why I followed it as long as I did. So I say block it. It doesn't do anyone any good and the less people see it the less they'll think its cool.
Alternative view points are good to have, don't want a echo chamber. That said, being a Nazi, supporting them, or attacking trans, LQBTQ folks isn't a difference of opinion ; it's a fundamental flaw of the far right, treating humans as less than such. That is not an agreeable stance.
Modern conservatism is a cancer that deserves and needs to be squashed out. It has an outright dangerous and seductive quality to it. It took me years to get over it many people don't ever get out of it.
So echo chamber argument isn't a good one. If anything modern conservatism is itself an echo chamber, that squashes all opposing viewpoints.
I’m ok with conservatives that aren’t conspiracy-driven. They can’t seem to self-moderate though. Anti-vax, and odd religious beliefs that they choose to impose on others is where I would draw the line.
Lots of people on the AskConservatives sub reddit for instance are against a lot of what has occurred in the last month.
I don’t know how to possibly moderate a community like that.
Are you OK with conservatives that are anti-LGBT+, for example? Conservative is an umbrella that includes a lot of bigotry, I'm not sure we should really pretend that is worth defending or tolerating, particularly with regards to the context of the pro-LGBT+ Blahaj instance, who hosts many people who are victimized by conservative ideology. Sure, conservative lemmy instances exist, but you are in the Blahaj meta community, and the question is how we should relate to those communities and instances that oppose our existence ...
I'm not. They're the ones outlawing abortion and trying to eliminate trans people. They're the ones that are okay with discrimination and bigotry. They're the ones okay with rounding up immigrants and sending them to camps. There is no reason to tolerate their intolerance and their ideology is based upon oppressing anyone that isn't male, rich, and white.
‘Don’t care’ often means that they don’t want to acknowledge our existence and thus block measures that make our existence possible like trans healthcare or anti discrimination laws. Effectively it’s the same as being anti-trans.
That's not enough they have to be okay with or even in support of transgender rights. Not caring means they'll either do nothing or work against us. I will not stand for either.
I think we dont need conservative communities on lemmy, we can do without them
I think modern conservatism is a sign of deficient cognitive ability and lack of empathy, but I don’t think we should outright block them. That’s the sort of thing they advocate. If they’re celebrating a nazi salute, sure. Let’s get rid of them. But we should be better than they. Of course, this makes me sound like a lib when I’m actually a Leftist, but I’m just trying not to discriminate.
Rightwing people: you suck for delivering us this living hell.
The biggest issue is that EVERY community they've formed in the past has ended up as nothing more than an echo chamber for them to justify their OWN views and eventually censoring ANY form of external input.
maybe the key is forcing them to interact with regular people who don't like them, idk. i'm old and tired and getting older and tireder by the day. just force them to face consequences for their bullshit over and over until they get it. make a shitty community? disband the community. make a shitty meme? remove the shitty meme. be a shitty person? ban the shitty person.
Best I can give you is resigned condescension.
dorks, all of them.
maybe the key is shooting them all to Mars.
i mean sure, i'm down
Yeah i'm staying down here on Earth as well.
As someone who used to be stuck in that I couldn't agree more. It absolutely is a lack of empathy and cognitive ability, but also it persists because they think it's cool and accepted. I know that's why I followed it as long as I did. So I say block it. It doesn't do anyone any good and the less people see it the less they'll think its cool.
Alternative view points are good to have, don't want a echo chamber. That said, being a Nazi, supporting them, or attacking trans, LQBTQ folks isn't a difference of opinion ; it's a fundamental flaw of the far right, treating humans as less than such. That is not an agreeable stance.
Honestly, modern conservatism is largely indistinguishable from Nazi-ism at this point anyway.
Modern conservatism is a cancer that deserves and needs to be squashed out. It has an outright dangerous and seductive quality to it. It took me years to get over it many people don't ever get out of it.
So echo chamber argument isn't a good one. If anything modern conservatism is itself an echo chamber, that squashes all opposing viewpoints.
I’m ok with conservatives that aren’t conspiracy-driven. They can’t seem to self-moderate though. Anti-vax, and odd religious beliefs that they choose to impose on others is where I would draw the line.
Lots of people on the AskConservatives sub reddit for instance are against a lot of what has occurred in the last month.
I don’t know how to possibly moderate a community like that.
Are you OK with conservatives that are anti-LGBT+, for example? Conservative is an umbrella that includes a lot of bigotry, I'm not sure we should really pretend that is worth defending or tolerating, particularly with regards to the context of the pro-LGBT+ Blahaj instance, who hosts many people who are victimized by conservative ideology. Sure, conservative lemmy instances exist, but you are in the Blahaj meta community, and the question is how we should relate to those communities and instances that oppose our existence ...
I'm not. They're the ones outlawing abortion and trying to eliminate trans people. They're the ones that are okay with discrimination and bigotry. They're the ones okay with rounding up immigrants and sending them to camps. There is no reason to tolerate their intolerance and their ideology is based upon oppressing anyone that isn't male, rich, and white.
Conservatism is inherently anti-trans. I’d rather not have anyone on lemmy argue against my right to self determination.
A lot of conservatives don’t care about gender.
‘Don’t care’ often means that they don’t want to acknowledge our existence and thus block measures that make our existence possible like trans healthcare or anti discrimination laws. Effectively it’s the same as being anti-trans.
That's not enough they have to be okay with or even in support of transgender rights. Not caring means they'll either do nothing or work against us. I will not stand for either.
.world also has a Conservative comm just as disgusting as the .ee one
I don't know why neither has been removed, in both comms nearly every single post is well into the negatives haha
Pretty sure a majority of .world blocks them or hate downvotes them.
I just reported that there's no moderation on that community.