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[-] hildegarde 27 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Stop blaming the voters for kamala's bad decisions.

she threw her campaign when her campaign chose to abandon the very vocal block of anti-genocide voters who had enough votes to swing the election.

if your campaign can only succeed if several millions of people to change their minds suddenly, you ran a losing campaign from the beginning.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 33 points 12 hours ago

It’s the voters who voted for Trump. It’s that simple.

Although I didn’t have ”Trump ending the Israel Palestine conflict by making Palestine American” on my bingo card, it was always super obvious that Trump is way more pro Israel than Kamala. If you thought otherwise you didn’t pay attention at all.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 3 points 6 hours ago

Trump had the same number of votes this time as he did in 2020. He didn't win, the Democrats lost because they had nothing to offer people other than "we aren't Trump!". It was a losing strategy in 2016 when the economy was sort of functioning and it only worked when Trump was in power and the morgues were overflowing with dead bodies. Now that the economy is shit for anyone naking less than $200,000 a year, it was a loser again. All the Democrats than ran on "centrist" platforms lost while those offering actual changes like M4A, housing reform, and ending money in politics safely won reflection.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, but blaming then is obviously pointless. It makes sense to blame the ones that could have prevented this: the Democratic Party and the ones who didn't vote democrat.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 hours ago

I think you can just blame the democratic party. People shouldn't be blamed for not voting for garbage genocidal candidates and their wacky condescending fanboys.

[-] fosho@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

you'll obviously be repeating this same garbage as America descends into absolute hell. a hell you could have stopped if you weren't a fool.

this post really highlights a huge part of the problem which is the fact that voters generally don't take any responsibility for their terrible decisions. people love to blame others for their mistakes and boy do you fit the definition.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 12 hours ago

It doesn't matter how good or bad her campaign was. All people in swing states who were able to vote but didn't or voted third party have contributed to Trump's victory.

If your election system requires you to vote tactically, you have no choice but to vote tactically.

[-] hildegarde 3 points 8 hours ago

It also requires you to campaign tactically. Kamala showed exactly what happens when you don't.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 14 points 12 hours ago

If the election system requires tactical voting then it isn't a democracy.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 12 hours ago

No you're right. America only pretends to be a democracy, but it most definitely is not. The electoral college alone causes some people's votes to be more important than others. Then there's the first-past-the-post system where you only need 50% of the votes to get 100% of the electors, which screws up things even more. And finally, many people are unable to cast their vote in the first place. Nothing about that is democratic.

[-] ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago

And despite all of that, you still focus the blame on the voters, instead of on the system which is working exactly as intended, including your part in it which you are actively playing while convinced you are really opposing it somehow (you're not).

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago

okay and what is your plan to change that system? because I don't think Trump being president is going to help with that

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 12 hours ago

And not participating in it is improving it somehow?

[-] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago

I still vote, but I gave up on the idea that we will be allowed to vote our way out of the descent into Fascism roughly 25 years ago.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

All people in swing states

At least you're realistic in your vote shaming. Major progress.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Actually, for that matter, I DO actually want to incorporate your point.

The problem is the proverbial horse died of thirst.

You're right in that it's not correct for me to simply leave it at "you can lead the horse to water but you can't make it drink", because the truth is SHE DIDN'T LEAD THE FUCKING HORSE TO WATER AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE!

She silently held up a sign that said "maybe water"

Trump held up a sign that said "no water for anyone except you" (which was patently a LIE, there was never any water at all with him) while also making beckoning noises and holding a sugar cube in his other hand.

The fact that the horse literally couldn't even read in the first place doesn't change the fact that she didn't do her fucking job and that he used empty populist rhetoric to lure the horse to a place where there definitely was NEVER going to be any water whatsoever.

We tried to nudge the horse to where there might have been water. But it's just a dumb fucking animal and wanted sugar cubes. Now it's dead (and it didn't even get the sugar cube it was being bribed with) and

...

yeah. We have better shit to do than keep beating this dead horse. It's too late for it to learn anything.

So, departing from that metaphor, in a very real sense I've been making preparations to help people survive and perhaps someday even evacuate. Complaining about the circumstances is not the ONLY thing I'm doing, not by a long shot. But I do complain. Because I'm stressed and need to release the metaphorical pressure.

If you know of any mutual aid groups starting up to construct an underground railroad now that the horse is dead and we have to rely on ourselves, I'd sure like to know.

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