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this post was submitted on 22 Jan 2025
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I prefer that we leave the "no tankie" rule intact, its sadly very important on lemmy with all these lemmygrad, hexbear etc. servers around. Mods know what tankies are, and we dont have to cater to people who dont know the definition of words we use.
"Tankie" is an important destinction because it seperates leftists from the edgy geopolitics enjoyers, and we would loose that destinction if we drop that word. Lastly, "tankie" is mostly willingly misunderstood by tankies, who want to water it down so they can infilitrate other leftist communities. Thats what happened back on reddit at least.
I think moderators of LBZ's own Liberty Hub have been called tankies by people at .world or sh.itjust.works
So it already is a muddled definition so who is on either side of the distinction is not consistent and can be used to alienate people from this community who would like to participate. If a stalin meme gets posted remove that or whatever but i dont think the community needs to be worried about malicious infiltrators
Some people at .world dont know what they are talking about and thats ok. Lots of people there also dont know much of the queer terms we use here, and thats also ok.
If e.g. someone thinks "cisgender" is an insult, or exclusivly describes a queer person, that doesnt change the actual use, even if the mistake is common(like i have seen with "cisgender").
So I think the definition is fine. If you can imagine the person in question defending brutal, oppressive actions of a State with a red flag, they are a tankie. And if someone self identifies as "tankie" then im not sure that id like to converse with them anyway, other then to get them to change their mind. And thats what this rule is for.
And lastly, infilitrating leftist spaces is the favorite activity of many tankies ive encountered back on reddit, many subs were "tankiefied" because of this. It does happen, sadly.
I definitely agree with being against states/state oppression. I think the main problem is just that someone doesn't actually need to self identify as a tankie to feel excluded by the word. If someone gets a bunch of angry comments on .world calling them a tankie when they definitely aren't, then even if this community/instance is trying to use it in a different, more accurate way it still has the possibility that they would feel unwelcome here. When the prevailing way tankie gets used by the rest of Lemmy is incorrect, then that usage kinda becomes the first thing people will associate it with when they see the term somewhere else on Lemmy.
I think for official rules tankie is vague enough that it's better to just be explicit in what is actually against the rules like what's already there with the "no genocide denial" and "no authoritarianism" lines. Adding "no tankies" on top of that just leads to a less clear definition of what sort of behavior is actually against the rules imo. Since everyone has different ideas of what someone being a tankie means it's not always just the authoritarian aspects that get lumped into the definition but sometimes the leftist aspects too.
Obviously none of this is to say that authoritarianism, genocide apologia, or anything like that should be allowed. I'd just personally like the rules being more clear about that explicitly instead of muddying stuff unnecessarily by using tankie.