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Arab officials: Trump envoy swayed Netanyahu more in one meeting than Biden did all year
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Why is everyone so hell bent on not giving Trump credit for doing something good?
If Biden truly wanted to achieve this ceasefire, all he had to do was stop sending weapons. It is abundantly clear that Biden did not try to achieve a ceasefire. Nor did Biden have any desire to do so.
Why? Because we can identify propaganda like this very easily. You should consider the following basic questions when you are consuming news. What's the publisher? Are they reliable? Do they have incentive to lie about this issue? Can we confirm anything that they claim in this article? Who are their sources? Do we know the names of their sources? Do we have any good reason to believe their sources?
In other words, this article doesn't pass the five second test for reliability.
The ceasefire happened right after Trump sent his envoy to Israel. The article confirms the obvious.
Because if I wasn't clear the first time, it's bullshit.
Let's invoke a thought-experiment and play said hypothetical out:
Stops sending weapons.
Bibi conveniently ignores intelligence if another real or false flag October-7th like attack.
Democrats lose with certainty, accused of both being Antisemitic (by Russian, Israeli bots, AIPAC, etc.) and leaving poor Israel defenseless against evildoer terrorists.
Ah yes. Sound strategy.
Biden kept sending weapons after he lost the election. And the genocide had been going on long before the election. And it only cost the Democrats votes. You are making up so many bad excuses to avoid facing reality.
Between November 5th and now would have done exactly jack shit. Especially when that would be immediately reversed by Trump anyway. Besides, it's not as though the Democratic party ceases to exist. What makes you think Israel still wouldn't do that in order to justify even worse atrocities, then blame Democrats anyway? That's what's called a High Risk / Low Reward play.
But nah man, keep believing Trump will be better, or hell even "equally bad." If you genuinely care about Palestinians, then you're about to get a wake-up call. Moving the embassy to Jeruselum while telling Bibi to, "Finish the job." Well, mission accomplished I guess.
Though with anonymity and online astroturfing operations I cannot rule out the viable alternative.
Truly I cannot believe how after all this time and everything Trump and Bibi has done that people are still naive enough to believe they're acting in good faith and not entirely for political optics. Absolutely remarkable.
I will take Trump stopping a genocide for optics over Biden not stopping a genocide for optics. But whatever you need to justify your world view.
You could at least wait until he actually stops it before giving him credit. It's not like he has a history of following through on his promises.
I did. The Israeli government just signed the ceasefire.
Oh yeah, duh. Because the Israeli government never broke a signed ceasefire before. I forgot. They always do what they say.
Say. Are you interested in sending me money to help build a bridge?
So first you say "wait untli the ceasefire is signed". Now when it is signed you say "wait until Israel breaks it".
According to your own standards you are only allowed to rag on Trump after Israel breaks the ceasefire.
You're combining what I said with another commenter to make some weird argument about moving goalposts or some shit. I didn't say anything of the sort. I just think it's worth pointing out that Israel has broken their ceasefire agreements like hundreds of times. If you're going to use the ceasefire as a benchmark, it's probably important to know the context around previous ceasefires and how pointless they've been.
But hey. It sounds like you just wanna pat yourself on the back. You don't need to respond to me to do that.
You are not wrong about Israel violating ceasefires. When Israel inevitably does, I will make a post about how much Trump has been humiliated if that makes you happy.
For now though, the genocide stops. And that is good. Joe Biden could have taken credit for a ceasefire for more than a year. But Biden chose to lose the election to continue the genocide. Biden ideologically wanted to destroy Gaza. Biden did to Gaza all the things you are projecting on Trump.
And now against all odds Trump stops it. So he gets credit.
I hope you're right that things do actually stop.
I guess I'm just too cynical. I don't think either Trump or Biden actually give a shit about perpetuating, stopping or even acknowledging genocide. I don't think they have any ideological alignment other aligning to whichever lobbyist paid the most this week. Selling weapons is normal business for US, and we'll continue to justify selling weapons whenever there's money to be made.
There is one factor most Democrats ignore. Unlike Biden, Trump is not ideologically aligned to Israel. Trump will sell out to the highest bidder.
Trump takes Saudi bribes. And MBS would really like to not have this going on. Corruption might just be the salvation.
Or Trump will let Israel continue after 42 days. That too is possible.
Trump moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Just a random thing he did though and means nothing I'm sure, right?
Biden just came out and admitted he let Netanyahu carpet bomb Palestine on video.
Nice non-sequitur. I was responding to this specifically:
So telling me about Biden's alignment with Israel is really meaningless in this context, isn't it?
Biden did a full on genocide for Israel. That is infinitely worse.
Try to stay on topic, I know it's hard....
This is the topic you want to change.
Yeah, it's definitely not though. We were talking about Trump's possible allegiances to Israel, and you seem to think he doesn't have any. That's ignorant.
I have no problem discussing the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinian people (and has been ongoing for decades, not something that started a few years ago, btw), but that's not what was being discussed, so when you change the subject to that it looks like you're avoiding something.
Ohhhhh ok well in that case... 🙄
As I said, truly remarkable you trust Arab figures speaking on anonymity and Donald Trump's word for what he supposedly did.
Tell me, did he "do the weave"? Lmao.
Forgetting you sourced Times of Israel. What a gem. What's next, RT?
What a colosally flimsy house of cards to build the hill you're choosing to die on.
You do not understand what the source means.
Israelis are mad about the ceasefire. They are angry at Trump. You just admitted that Biden forcing a ceasefire would earn him criticism from Israel.
Netanyahu is trying to wiggle out of the ceasefire with his classic lies and Trump will not let him. Biden would gladly blame Hamas for another twelve rounds of failed negotiations like he has done for the past year.
No, I said Biden restricting weapons would earn him criticism from Israel, as well as domestically. Huge difference.
To reiterate the dodged points:
Circular Reasoning Fallacy: We have yet to establish that Trump had anything to actually do with the ceasefire beyond unreliable sources, speaking from anonymity, cited by yet another unreliable source controlled by the PM who sought Trump's reelection in the first place.
Given both Bibi and Trump's propensity for showboating, this is all political theatrics to make Trump look good. If I was a piece of shit like them, I'd do the same thing.
A ceasefire is utterly meaningless by this point anyway. If you haven't noticed, Trump told Bibi to "Finish the job," and Bibi pretty much did. There isn't much left in gaza to cease firing upon in the first place. The damage is done.
Trump and Bibi are closer than Bibi and Biden. If you can't grasp this, you will in time.
Nobody and I mean absolutely nobody is closer to Netanyahu than Joe BIden. And if you do not know this you do not know anything about Joe Biden.
Oh? When did Biden say to Bibi, "Finish the job."? In addition to providing arms to Israel over the course of Trump's first term, he also moved the embassy to Jeruselum. Did Biden do that? No siree.
If you weren't aware, they had a falling out over the course of 2024 with reports indicating this as early as February. Before that I might be inclined to agree, Trump's lack of moral character notwithstanding.
Biden said that right here
So he did not say that, or move the embassy to Jeruselum and merely continued the same track, as I had already said and without any sort of rebuttal, considering the a) damage to Democrats and b) Trump reversing course the second he gets into office anyway.
Moot.
My points still stand.
So ultimately he was doing less than what Trump did do in his first term, and said he would do. Got it.
Oh I'm sure Trump will be far more amicable to the plight of Palestinians. Go tell tell them what you did! They'll be so proud!
You can live in this alternative fairy tale fantasy where we had some 3rd option; I'll remain firmly planted in reality where there is a gradient of harm inflicted, and the election was a binary choice.
Say how'd your vote for Stein go? Shucks, if only she had like 49% more votes... So close, right?
Not exactly thinking this through with any depth when the fallout is cementing the greater genocidal administration.
Strange how Bibi and AIPAC wanted Trump to win. I'm shocked I tell ya.
Good sir/madam, I'm deflecting merely to the elephant in the room. Why focus on the little fish on the eve of the big fish entering office?
Let's just see how good Trump is for Palestinians going forward ;)
Don't forget to pat yourself on the back for this pyrrhic victory.
Libs spent the entire election saying "Trump will be worse for palestinians than genocide joe!!!"
Now they're clinging to their phony predictions like a shipwrecked nostradamus. They can't accept the obviously truth that their dude is also a brainwashed fascist.