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True leftism is "when America bad" and the more "America bad" you spout, the more to the left you are. Having nuanced and principled opinions is inferior to campism, gotcha.
The US has 800+ external military bases. All other countries combined have < 20.
A giant list of US atrocities
This doesn't refute my argument
You didn't make an argument.
I thought they were joking but further reading left me disappointed.
US imperialism, and more specifically, the division of the world into rich and poor countries (which US imperialism upholds with its military, dollar hegemony, and media dominance), is the primary evil in the world today.
When you accuse people pointing this out, of being "campist un-nuanced america-hating tankies", you're just showing your ignorance of the reality of images like the one above.
If you think you're gonna bait me into defending or denying America's history of foreign intervention then you've got another thing coming. It happened. Plenty of it is downright evil.
But sadly, it's not uniquely evil. Russia is waging an imperialist war of aggression and attempting a genocide of the Ukrainians, all while enriching their oligarchs as their civilians starve. China is repressing the Tibetans, committing genocide against the Uyghurs to create a Han ethnostate, threatening Taiwan, and is violating maritime borders in the South China Sea with their expansion of their naval presence.
Dissent, especially in China, is heavily policed. They took our dystopian monetary credit system and cranked it up to 11 with social credit, and work their people to the bone with companies in the country defying the ban on the 996 schedule enforcement. Russia considers LGBT people as a whole dissenters and arrests them simply for existing. Prominent political dissidents of Putin are simply murdered.
The fact that you and I are allowed to post about America's past transgressions and speak highly critically of the government (and believe it or not, I do that quite a lot) is proof that we as a global superpower are freer than them, and principally why I categorically reject the notion that we are the world's primary evil. It's just not that simple. But I'll take our flawed, bourgeois democracy over domination by than the outright fascist rule by our competitors.
But above all that I prefer peace and freedom. No more violence in Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Tibet, and Xinjiang. Civil rights and decent living conditions for all.
Competent readers, regardless of their familiarity with the claims made here, will notice that the very first sentence in this comment is a lie that you can see for yourself just by reading their first comment in this thread.
This is quality condensed gish gallop. Eglin Air Force Base would be proud.
Lmao. Not even ForeignPolicy falls for such a blatant CIA talking point. Social credit is a measure to curb companies that act against the interest of people in the pursuit of profit, individual people don't come into the equation, you're to the right of warhawks on this one. To claim China is doing worse than the US is pure copium, it's like citizens of Nazi germany going "sure, Hitler might be bad, but wait til you learn about what he says the soviets are doing" which to be fair y'all also do.
Oh, yeah. Huey P. Newton, MLK, Malcolm X, the entirety of the Ferguson protest organizers, Leonard Peltier, all of them free to speak their mind. Gary Webb and Julian Assange have been so highly commended for their work as well, you're so free in the land of the biggest carceral population in human history. I stg you could slot a gringo into fascist Italy and retexture it with icons of Americana and they'd feel right at home.
Lots of claims with zero sources but I wouldn't expect it from people who read a RFA-regurgitated headline and consider themselves thoroughly informed on the matter. Glad you don't want more violence in Xinjiang, but fret no more, China worked on solving it via schools instead of black sites like the US did, and succeeded where the US and its weapons makers profit from ensuring failure.
Interesting. Why did the US go after Assange, Snowden, and Manning btw?
As usual, you gave zero evidence for any of your assertions. Every single one of your pro-US propaganda talking points have been disproved. Some links elaborating on them are in here.
This is so much more reason that these tankies deserve tbh. I appreciate you taking the time to put it into words.
These people should actually try talking to foreigners, students and immigrants. The picture Ukrainian refugees and Taiwanese students paint is a lot less forgiving than the completely unsubstantiated, pseudo-intellectuslist "but that's CIA propaganda" arguments these authoritarian "leftists" like to throw around. I'm sure such first-hand accounts would be as readily dismissed, mind you, because the goal is clearly not to have an honest discussion to begin with.
if you ever talked to anyone from china you'd know that this asshole is completely lying about the social credit thing (among others)
maybe your "evidence" was a load of crap and they knew it
social credit has never been a thing in china. i've lived there.
Brainwashing is when you don't take westerners at their word without evidence
How vague and tangential.
Well said
leave it to liberals to clap like seals over well-put disinformation
You can call it "nuance" all you want, it doesn't change that such a critical stance is always rooted in state department propaganda.
Western "leftists" trust imperialists more than foreign PoC, which surprises nobody.
So instead, we should trust... The other ogliarchic and blatantly fascist empires?
Call me crazy, but I don't think unapologetic fascism is "leftist."
Why do you believe the US and anglophone-media when they demonize their main enemies, and say that they're no different? You should take anything a serial liar says with an extreme grain of salt.
No one said I do.
Then how did you come by that particular conclusion? Because if it's not just out and out racism, surely you can link it to verify it's not just a State Department proxy going "Anonymous sources confirm ALL minorities in China being tortured right the fuck now"
What conclusion are you proposing that I came to? My only statement was that denying Western media in favor of Eastern media is not "leftist." Everything else you and Dessalines have attempted to drag into this discussion is creating either a false dichotomy or a strawman, in some cases both. The options are not "either you listen to PoC or you listen to Western Media," because not all Western Media nor people of colour agree on every position. Whatever imaginary propaganda you are creating about the State suggesting that China is torturing minorities this minute is not something I have experienced, nor referenced. We have not presented the arguments that you are trying to deconstruct.
You are boxing with shadows, throwing fists with invisible monsters in the dark. I'm not sure if it's our of poor reading comprehension, poor critical thinking skills, or intentional dishonesty, but there's clearly a bias here that is useless to engage with.
The post is talking about the DPRK and China.
Plural.
You're not being sneaky by refusing to state a clear argument and hiding behind liberal platitudes. There is no empire other than the US, and opposition to it is always framed as irredeemable evil and y'all eat it up.
Make an argument, cite your sources, or stop wasting everyone's time with deflection.
stay mad dronie