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What do you define as propaganda? Anything could be if your definition is too broad.
In this case, all bullshit Yank media that makes you think America are good guys and cops help you.
I don't think that's a good definition, since Holocaust documentaries would be propaganda since it makes America look like the good guys.
That would definitely be propaganda since it was the Soviets who actually did all the work while the American's ratlined the Nazi's into their country, allowed them to transform their government institutions, consolidated power during the red scare and became a Nazi Empire over the next 80 years.
Let me get this right, your saying all reporting on the Holocaust is propaganda?
I'm saying everything you know about everything is propaganda. Try reading books, specifically by Bernays then come back to this conversation.
You fucking yank libs with your bullshit exasperations - Let me get this right, lol have you ever read a book? You don't need to reply, I know the answer and I blocked you because I don't have time to be libsplained, just posting memes that you're proving right.
I think any books I've read you'd call propaganda, I'm not sure what you wouldn't call propaganda.
Well you see, American propaganda is cringe, while my superior vintage Soviet propaganda is based.
Hoped this comment was helpful :)
FYI, the Soviet Union also recruited Nazis into their ranks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
So only bad guys solve murder cases?
Good guys let random vicious murders on the loose.
I should trust an obvious propaganda expert , but I don't know....
I'm glad I don't know you in real life
I swear a couple of people are here to libsplain us in their confident ignorance.
I mean you ever see The Wire? In the first season the "heroes" beat the shit out of bystanders so much a child loses an eye. They then go on to solve murders.
I haven't see the wire. But I don't remember they doing that in CSI Miami, they just solved murder cases in ingenious ways.
For some people CSI is like extreme propaganda. Then they proceded to eat a literal propaganda video from a terrorist group that's literally murdering people and justifying why they are murdering people and be cool with that. The other guy literally threatened me over that, it's crazy.
Edward Bernays wrote the book on it, as well as Walter Lippman[1]. And subsequently so have Michael Parenti[1][2] and Noam Chomsky[1].
From the first one
Sounds like it's referring to any marketing or public communications from any company government or individual. I'd qualify that as overly broad.
In some languages “advertising” and “propaganda” are the same word, and not for nothing. Bernays worked in both advertising and politics. It’s the same set of tools whether its to sell cigarettes or war.
Would all rhetoric (persuading people) be propaganda? I think that makes the word useless.
Rhetorical exchange between two people is one thing, mass persuasion is quite another, though they are not entirely unrelated.
So would any speech to a bunch of people be propaganda? What makes something propaganda?
it's not useless if it describes something.
It's describing all communication, good and bad. This conversation we're having right now would be propaganda.
You're trying to influence someone's understanding of the term propganda, which makes it propganda.
And you're communicating, which makes your comment propaganda. Or is it only propaganda when it's to political ends?
turns out, everything is political, so, yes, it's all propaganda.
So I think that definition is useless, since there's nothing that isn't propaganda.
have you read Foucault?
You want to summarize?
no.
Than why'd you bring it up?
I wanted to see if it was worth continuing this conversation
You thought I'd have read it?
I thought if you had read it this might be a worthwhile conversation.
And yet you continue
this hasn't been a conversation for hours
Should I set up a bot, we can just trade trivialities back and forth forever?
I'd define propaganda as misconstruing the truth towards political ends. If it's commercial ends rather than political, it's false advertising. If it's not misconstruing, then it's advertising or public communications. Just to set a baseline.
I can't find what your sources are defining as propaganda from a brief look, let's compare to my definition.
it doesn't need to be misconstrued. the best propaganda imho is totally true and in context. spreading it with some kind of political goal is still propaganda.
Cool, I wouldn't call that propaganda, but we can work with that.
Do the Captain America movies have an irl political goal? What would it be?
I haven't seen them, but I do know they work with the pentagon, so my guess is they aim to legitimize American hegemony and military spending
I have seen them, and the government is the bad guy, with the overreach of public surveillance being major topic. You'll need to be more specific, but that would probably entail watching them.
I have no interest though. do you have a point?
It doesn't seem to fit with the criteria of being for political ends, so it wouldn't be propaganda.
not having seen it, I obviously can't tell you what is messages are.
So I don't think it should be on this list, and I guess you don't disagree.
I'm confident it is propaganda, but not having seen it, I don't know what politics it is pushing.