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Biden did more to help the working class than any president in my lifetime. People are too stupid or don't pay enough attention to realize it.
And this is why we lost. People are screaming for help, and Democrats just said "you're wrong, everything is actually fine. It's all in your head. Biden actually did help you! You were just too uninformed to notice it."
People act like Democrats were just ignoring what people wanted, while Republican politicians and judges were blocking them every step of the way. Just look at how many ways Biden's school debt relief plans were defeated.
They are not really lying, which is especially frustrating. But it wasn't enough by a long shot.
Telling someone that can't get out of a bog that you moved him a centimeter into the right direction will probably earn you some insults, despite the help.
The thing is that people somehow don't seem to realise there's a bog monster pulling in the opposite direction. Yes, it's a problem that they only got pulled 1 cm in the right direction. Yes, it's well worth criticising that it could have been 10 cm if the person doing the pulling hadn't tied a hand behind their back. But 1 cm of movement in the right direction is still far better than 2 m of movement in the wrong direction because the bog monster gained the upper hand.
And the people standing on the sidelines saying "let go of their hand and grab mine! I'll pull you in the right direction with both hands!" are also acting in bad faith, because if they actually had an interest in doing that they'd be grabbing onto the person who's currently doing the pulling and pulling helping them pull rather than expecting the victim to release and flounder around for their hand.
Absolutely fucking right.
"Your doctor won't be able to offer you prenatal care or freeze your eggs for fertility treatment!
"I can't afford rent or eggs and you think I have a DOCTOR? You think I can afford to even think about having a kid?"
"Look at the stock market though!"
biden is extremely popular among blue collar workers, he really has done a lot. As well as a number of things for veterans as well.
Harris lost every tax bracket between $25k and $100k. The administration was only popular with white collar workers and with the folks at the very bottom of the income slope, and only relative to Trump.
Then why didn't Blue Collar Workers vote for his Vice President?
Because she has a vagina and is exactly not an old white guy.
Plenty of women winning seats in states Harris lost.
Slotkin beat Rodgers in Michigan. Fischer beat Osborne in Nebraska. Rosyn beat Brown in Nevada. Baldwin beat Hovde in Wisconsin.
Dems seem to confuse their habit of running weak national candidates at the top of the ticket with some generic social hatred of whatever gender or ethnicity those candidates claim. The idea that Biden - who was polling in the 30s against Trump by the time the party dropped him - would have outperformed Harris because he was a white man is absurd.
https://cawp.rutgers.edu/blog/congressional-statewide-results-women-2024
Women account for roughly 25-30% of the members of the house and Congress, and that's a record high in both cases, there's a roughly 20% gender gap in elected officials.
They're at roughly 30% across the board for elected positions in the U.S.
Women candidates actually almost reached gender parity for the Democrats this year, so about half of candidates were women.
https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/11/2024-election-results-women-representation-gender-gap?lang=en
Republican candidates saw a drop from last time, and fewer of them won.
Republicans don't support women like Democrats do, Republicans won everything this year
93 Women in the house are Democrats , and that's les sthan half the Democrats, so even in an election in a party with near-parity gender representation in their candidates who have voted in record numbers of women, there's still a gender gap in representation, but it's close, I'll give them that.
The Republicans regressed, they're no where near gender parity, no surprise there.
And at the national level, the results speak for themselves. Misogyny was absolutely a factor.
If you say so.
Biden ended a bunch of CARES Act provisions that benefited working families and children. Medicaid enrollment was cut. The monthly paid out child tax cut extension was ended. Mandated Paid Sick Leave ended.
That's what people were stupidly noticing.
Meanwhile, greedflation jacked up the prices of consumer goods straight into 2023. Biden Dems were angry when people refused to stop paying attention to prices that outpaced salaries, while the Feds twiddled their thumbs.
By Congress, not Biden, though the Consolidated Appropriations Act as a demand by Republicans.
Again Republicans voted against the reauthorization because they didn't want to hand Democrats a "win".
This was only ever intended to be temporary as it only applies when there was federal or state quarantine in effect. Democrats in the House introduced the Healthy Families Act which would guarantee all workers 7 sick days a year. The act was filibustered by Republicans in the Senate.
Democrats are not the problem here.
no amount of facts are going to sway the 'but both SIDES BAD UNNHH' no matter how much you try to rub the data in their stupid faces.
A plurality of morons voted directly against their own best interests or there was some gigantic, undetectable fraud. Either way, country's fucked.
It's true that inflation outpaced wages, but this was only for a period following Covid. And while everyone pointed out when inflation pulled away, no one seemed to notice when wages bounced back.
Tens of millions of deaths globally will inevitably cause supply chain issues, and no amount of fiscal policy will prevent that scarcity. So people have to pay more for the same value. But things also recovered under Biden to more than compensate for that deficit. Here's the growth rate of inflation and wages over the past four years:
To people literally dying of corporate capitalism, Harris’s mantra was, “Look at these charts, people — everything’s pretty good!”
This is true, but only because every President since FDR did damage to the working class. Biden was absolutely a breath of fresh air, and it's unfortunate that neither he nor Kamala were loud enough about it.
With the campaign Kamala ran, it would surprise the hell out of me if most voters understood the good that Biden did. To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don't go away. It was campaign malpractice to try and sit on past accomplishments without offering new initiatives to make things better.
What Kamala offered was too little, too complicated, and too quiet. All voters heard was that she would be the same as Biden, and that CEOs and neocon warmongers love her.
You're not wrong but their messaging was shit and Kamala did not run on Biden's wins. She ran on his losses.
Also most progressive US president is a really low bar lol.
We're still drowning, but at least he tossed us some water wings.
What has he done for the working class?
the IRA includes long term tax benefits for basically everybody, most impact-fully, people in the lower income brackets. Both the CHIPS act and infra bill have provided for a lot of jobs. He didn't kill oil, like trump seems to pretend happened. Im sure there are a number of other things i'm missing as well. Biden was an absolute legislation machine.
Notably, the economy is doing very well right now. Granted the perception tends to lag, that's natural.
The oil lobby has always (like, back to the 1860s always) broken Republican and states that produce large quantities of oil have historically tilted Republican as a result.
Biden didn't need to kill oil. All he needed to do was be marginally less friendly than Trump or Bush. That provoked hundreds of millions in adversarial spending and billions in dark money, focused in states with big O&G industries.
Nope. He can do whatever and inflation erases all that and then some.
Take your statistics home and use them to line your hamster cage.
Ah yes, the inflation that started because of the pandemic, worldwide, all Bidens fault. Good job, you solved inflation!
If that was the case, address it. Somehow Biden et.al., thought ignoring it was fine and the people would understand.
That turned out to be not the case.
He did address it. Inflation has returned to pre pandemic levels. If you bothered to look into it instead of repeating bullshit “facts”, you’d know that.
The problem? Americans don’t “feel” like it is better. “But prices didn’t go down!” No shit that’s not how inflation works.
So he didn't make people feel inflation was behind them because prices aren't down and your answer is "no shit? That's not how inflation works?"
Because stop me if I'm wrong, but when prices go up and salaries don't, then that's having a lasting impact. And if you haven't done anything about that lasting impact, you haven't done enough, or convinced enough.
Anybody saying no shit too bad you're too stupid to understand this deserves what they get.
I know I"ll get downvoted for saying this, but you're right.
Stopping inflation without getting the prices to lower or the wages to raise is like...
Say you get stabbed by a psycho-killer, I shoot the killer in the fucking head and haul away his corpse.
Then I say "I have solved your stabbing issue" and call it a day.
This doesn't change anything about the fact that at no point did I take you to the hospital to address the fact that you are bleeding out, and now you're crawling around on the floor praying you can get to a phone to call 911 in time for the Ambulance to save your life.
Sure the killer's gone, but I've done absolutely nothing about the fact that you've been stabbed and if you die I would then in fact be guilty of negligent homicide.
Wait, you're mad you didn't get a good raise for a few years, and that's somehow Biden's fault?
Dude, greedy business owners keeping as much profit for themselves happens under every president.
I think you are confused as to what POTUS does. POTUS doesn't set or approve your payroll.
Conservatives be all "market" this and "market" that. The markets biggest influences are on costs of goods and costs of labor, and when the market does what the markets gonna do, that's the Democrats fault? Motherfucker, do you understand the society we live in?
I'm retired, I got a huge raise from Biden. Stop personalizing this, like I'm making an emotional plea. You got it wrong. Having the "facts" all lined up doesn't win you the election, never will.
Fight for your faults and you get to keep them.
The job when running for president is to give people a vision of your leadership that excites them. If instead you spend your time and money against your opponent without making a case for yourself, you get lost elections.
<.< You’re literally bitching that the thing that happened didn’t happen. I don’t have the answer you’re looking for, because it’s predicated on the thing that happened having not happened.
The lifeguard can’t save your son from drowning, he already did. I don’t know how else to say this.
It's all about communication, not facts. That's what you refuse to acknowledge.
Apparently none of the facts here can stop you from just oozing your feelings. So We don't really see the point in trying.
Didn't stop the voters' feelings either.
Shockingly, being told you are doing better when you're still paying more than you can afford for food and shelter doesn't suddenly make it true and makes you mistrust the person telling you that.
Is the economy doing better on the macro scale? Yes, but when prices have only continued to increase from their COVID levels, the working class doesn't see the improvement. We just keep seeing corps making record profits year after year while our savings (those of us who have any) disappears before our eyes.
Disregarding the feelings of the working class like you are doing is one of many reasons Harris lost. Feelings aren't easily swayed by facts.
I'm just hoping the same stupid smart people who don't recognize mass communication don't get it wrong again next election.
Conversing with y'all, I'm not feeling hopeful.
BTW, didn't want Trump, voted for Kamala, but I still think we deserved to lose. Our campaign sucked.
Biden’s labor report card: Historian gives ‘Union Joe’ a higher grade than any president since FDR
https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/05/bidens-labor-report-card-historian-gives-union-joe-higher-grade-any-president-fdr/397002/
Intellectual says he did a great job. Everybody on the couch with a Duff beer stand and bow before the great truth!
The nice thing about reality is that it's the same whether or not you believe it.
And the reality is that Harris lost because her messaging entirely failed to account for the pain voters are still feeling. It's absolutely astounding that you're not getting this.
The reality of election outcomes are entirely based on what voters believe.
Democrats are forever divided between two masters. They want to make voters happy, and they want to make their sponsors happy. The Harris campaign seemed to think they had the first part nailed down, so they spent the last month of a three month campaign super serving their donors.
Democratic consultants are notorious for running campaigns aimed at the Democratic consultant class, and they did it again. Nobody with any involvement in the Harris campaign should ever draw a salary from the Democratic party again, but Democrats just keep rewarding failure. The consultants who made a fortune running Hillary's campaign came back and made another fortune running the Harris campaign. Harris may have lost, but they didn't.
Yes. As long as you recognize that the reality you just spoke of is that one guy in an ivory tower thought Biden did a good job.
But Mr ivory tower is right. What do we do now that we know everyone really is too stupid to understand that? What do we do now that a bunch of ignorant assholes prefer the lies?
Well to start with you don't disdain them.
You treat them like people, and you find out what their needs are, what their fears are. And you address those. Not like Trump did. Not fanning the flames of their worst emotions. But leading them. Like Obama did. Like Kennedy did. Inspiring them that you can change their lives for the better.
When someone's worried that they're not able to feed the children and you're talking about climate change, you sound incredibly out of touch. When people are working two jobs and still can't pay the light bill, and you're talking about trans rights, you sound incredibly out of touch.
People don't hate addressing climate change. People don't hate trans people's rights. What they hate is being ignored for those things. And Trump pointed them at that and made them mad.
Democrats are not selling themselves as the party of the poor or the middle class. They are selling themselves as the party of the fringe and the universities - and the poor and middle class feel betrayed.
you're not even using the meme right
It's complicated. Tl;dr: they're both true.
So we can safely assume you're at least 8 years old since Obama obviously did less somehow despite literally being more leftist and having an entire social health program named after him.
That's some complex math you did to orient the subject to the guy you obviously don't like and want us to agree with you about...
What's he doing right now?
Hiding under the desk?