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[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 1 day ago

As we learned from the American Civil War, the southern states were incapable of seceding. However this isn't the question at hand. The above user asked this:

What’s the process like?

There is no such process.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The outcome of a war 160 years ago has utterly no relation to how a decision to secede would play out today. I use the word "process" in place of "whatever sequence of actions" might occur if states were to assert their intent to separate from the country. "Secession" might not even be an appropriate term - a resolution could be introduced, through all the correct and proper channels, for the United States to dissolve in an organized fashion, as the Soviet Union did in 1991. There's really no point saying any political proposal "can't" happen.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 1 day ago

My point is the North employed violence in the form of a successful military campaign to maintain the Union. Where the North failed was following up with a re-education campaign to squash southern propaganda, such as the myth of the Lost Cause.

[-] prole 1 points 1 day ago

The only thing that prevented the south from seceding was Lincoln's re-election. Literally.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 1 day ago

Also, the North's industrialization which allowed the North to outman, outgun, and outrailroad the South.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-during-the-civil-war.htm

[-] prole 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And if Lincoln's opponent (McClellan) had won in 1864, he would have allowed the South to secede anyway...

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 23 hours ago

Without industrializing the North could have lost the war to the South as they would have been more evenly matched. The North needed to win the political battle, the war, and then after the war, the culture war. They won the first two, but we are still fighting the culture war.

[-] prole 1 points 23 hours ago

For sure. I would say that we definitely lost the last one. We fucked up restoration, and haven't recovered.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 22 hours ago

We're not dead yet. So we're still fighting.

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