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submitted 2 weeks ago by AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works to c/trans

Right now, you're able to select the appropriate gender marker on your passport without a note from a medical professional (and a passport can be used in the vast majority of situations you'd use a birth certificate) but because the self select gender marker was done by executive action, it's extremely likely to be reversed when Trump takes office.

Also, having one might be a good idea in general.

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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

What incentive would they have to tamper with passport cards? They're pretty popular in the border regions as an inexpensive way to get an international travel document.

They are also mentioned in several international treaties, particularly with Canada and Mexico. The president doesn't have the power to unilaterally abrogate those treaties.

[-] ToastedPlanet 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What incentive would they have to tamper with passport cards? They’re pretty popular in the border regions as an inexpensive way to get an international travel document.

The cruelty is the point. If the fascists see people using those to flee they might get it in their head to restrict access to them or refuse to recognize them as valid. I'm not saying people shouldn't take advantage of them now, but if people can get the full passport book it might be better anyway. Canada has their own far-right that is on the verge of taking over. And Trump has threatened to fire missiles at Mexico.

They are also mentioned in several international treaties, particularly with Canada and Mexico. The president doesn’t have the power to unilaterally abrogate those treaties.

Trump has threatened to be a dictator on day one and is planning to staff the government with loyalists who will do what he says. There's a chance he won't respect treaties while in office and instruct border patrol to deny people with those cards access to border crossings. What are Canada and Mexico going to do about it?

The Nazis are known for not respecting documents so they could kill people.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/new-research-reveals-how-the-nazis-targeted-transgender-people-180982931/

There was also confusion caused by a few cases that, by chance, came to light first. In these cases, police acted less violently. For example, there is a well-known case from Berlin where police renewed a trans man’s “transvestite certificate” after he spent some months in a concentration camp. Historians initially took this case to be representative. Now that we have a lot more cases, we can see that it is an outlier. Police normally revoked the certificates.

Again, it's fine to take advantage of this now. And people should definitely be told about this, because for some people it might be their only feasible option. There's a reason people are worried, that's all. edit: typos

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

There is currently no exit border control in the US and the border with Canada is thousands of kilometres long, most of it unpatrolled. There are lots of tiny towns which are split in twain by the border. It is just not feasible from a manpower perspective to guard the entire border like the Iron Curtain.

Even if Trump says he's unilaterally abrogating the treaty on the validity of passport cards with Canada, who gives a shit when you need to flee because it's only a question of whether Canadian authorities will recognise the validity of a passport card.

Home countries cancelling refugees' travel documents has never been a successful strategy to prevent them from going to other countries. Other countries know what physical attributes an otherwise-valid travel document would have and it's not like they can physically take the card away from everyone.

[-] ToastedPlanet 3 points 2 weeks ago

That assumes Canada will be safe after their 2025 election. For now Canada is probably going to be a safer place to be than the US once the fascists take power here. The issue is then being stuck in Canada if you don't have a passport book in the event the far-right takes over there as well.

We are seeing the global rise of fascism right now, so the places that are safe will probably continue to dwindle. People should do what they feel they need to be safe. But its important to point out that the problem is not as simple as getting out of the United States. If a person finds they are in a position where they can only get this card and move to Canada they should totally do it if that's how they can be safe. Don't let me or anyone else stop you.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The passport card is valid for sea travel as well.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 2 weeks ago

To the Caribbean right?

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/25159.jpeg

So that would leave Cuba. Better than nothing.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure Cuba is a bad choice for... other reasons

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 2 weeks ago

Cuba has the right idea with socialism. Cuba's elections are a good sign they are moving in the right direction, but they still have a ways to go. For starters, they need more than one candidate per office and citizens need to be able to run without having to be nominated by the Communist Party controlled committees.

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