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What has she done to stop the genocide on Alderaan?
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No you didn't, not once, and your criticism "I'm worried that they don't mean what they say so I'm gonna make pretend that they love war" is like a drop in the ocean compared to the evils a trump presidency would inflict on the world.
Really, not once have I explained to you why I spend more time on here talking about Kamala than Trump? Not once?
No, they mean what they say, they explicitly support unconditional arms shipments to Israel and constantly reaffirm that it "has the right to defend itself." Your side is the one that claims they're lying and secretly support Palestine, against all the evidence and all their statements.
Kamala Harris doesn't support a ceasefire in secret, she calls for it openly, meanwhile Donald Trump, the only other person who could become president, phones up Netanyahu to tell him to reject Biden's ceasefire plan.
It's very clear. Your attempt to muddy the waters is just doing Trump's will. You occasionally claim not to support Trump, but all you ever talk about is how evil Harris is and you can barely scrape a sentence together every ten comments or so mildly conceding that Trump isn't perfect.
Still didn't addressa single point I made, because you can't.
Oh yes of course, because everything you said was fair, balanced, non-misleading and good advice for people who care.
Yes, it was, unlike what you said.
Do you even acknowledge the fact that Biden bypassed congress to send more weapons to Israel? Yes or no.
That was sarcasm.
So you even acknowledge that Biden negotiated a ceasefire deal that Trump phoned his pal Netanyahu to tell him to reject?
Do you even acknowledge that Trump called himself the best King of Israel?
Do you acknowledge that Trump promised to set the military on left wingers in the USA?
Do you acknowledge that Trump is a 34 time concocted felon?
Do you acknowledge that it is the republicans who openly call for Israel to "finish the job" in Gaza?
Do you acknowledge that Trump would be much worse for Palestine than Kamala?
Probably you'll ignore most if not all of that and dig up something that isn't really Kamala's fault. That's what you always do. Every time. Just like Trump wants you to. You're his servant, whatever you tell yourself and others about your independence. You're not. You're just selling his lines.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That is all true and all on Trump, except for the first which is also on Netanyahu, since he's his own person and doesn't have to do whatever Trump tells him to, but still demonstrates that Trump would be awful.
Now that I answered all of your questions, answer mine. You won't because you can't. The reason I can answer yours and you can't answer mine is because my beliefs are based on reality and yours are just fantasy based around whatever makes your team look good.
Yeah, Biden isn't perfect and didn't always do the best he could, including on Israel. Did I ever say he was a great president? No. But he's a far, far, far better president than Trump was, and Harris would be a far, far better president than Trump would be, especially on the issue of Gaza.
Well, it took 20 comments of you deflecting with ad hominem and baseless accusations, but you finally answered the question 👏👏👏
I swear, you waste so much time with this pointless, unproductive bullshit that it's impossible to discuss anything with you.
It isn't the win you seem to think. Few people who support Kamala for president think that she has a hope of creating world peace of that America will become even slightly socialist, but it'd get a tiny bit less shit with her and a shed load more shit with Trump, and those are the only two people who could possibly become the next president.
So if you care even a little bit about the people of Gaza, you should vote for Harris.
It's just that when you keep repeating republican talking points, I like to provide a bit of balance.
By the way, I'm not forcing you to engage with me.
I haven't said any "Republican talking points," unless in their double-talk on the issue they happened to land on something similar to what I said. If so, I'm unaware of it, and they obviously don't mean it since they contradict themselves all the time. At that point, virtually any statement about anything could be called a "Republican talking point."
I of course will not be voting for Harris since genocide is a red line and unlike Biden, when I draw a red line I actually mean it. And I do not subscribe to the ideology of lesser-evilism, so I do not feel compelled at all to pick between two candidates who are both completely awful and unacceptable.
Lol. You claim to not have said any republican talking points, then right after that you spend a paragraph on the biggest one for leftwing contexts!
Really? Do Republicans talk about rejecting the ideology of lesser-evilism? Pretty sure they rely on it the same way the Demorcrats do to make people fall in line with their shitty candidate. I don't see why they'd want to undercut their support and lose every hesitant Trump voter. Pretty sure you've just decided that any and all criticism that can ever be applied to Biden or Harris is a "Republican talking point" but that doesn't make it at all true.
Which part of "convince left wing voters not to vote for Kamala Harris" do you think isn't an absolutely key Republican strategy?
So we're back to this idea that there is fundamentally no way for me to hold my position or defend it without you calling it bad faith and accusing me of being a secret Republican, regardless of anything I say or don't say. Any disagreement, any criticism of Harris or Biden whatsoever, is a "Republican talking point," and I'm expected to craft this completely delusional worldview where I ignore all their faults rather than acknowledging reality.
Completely ridiculous.
Lol no, it's not that you said a tiny thing criticism of Harris, it's the pages and pages over days and days and weeks and weeks of criticism of Harris and occasional mild acceptance that Trump isn't perfect, always without detail or ire, and only where pushed, that's the Republican suppress-the-left-wing-vote talking points.