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People really need to stop assuming every Stein voter is a stolen Harris vote. I’d rather stay home than vote for Harris.
I suspect the actual pushback is to prevent the Greens from reaching the 5% voter threshold, and making them a more viable party.
This is you. You're the middle path. It's the scenic route to the worst outcome.
now redo the meme with harris at lever and put not sucking up to lobbyists & mim in the first track. we shouldn’t even be debating about this as requirement to be worthy of being a president.
Now do the same for the only other viable candidate in this election.
dnc made him viable because they are corrupt hacks who many people have begin despising after being betrayed by them repeatedly. obama got the most one sided victory in last few decades including many red states. but now they have magically became racist ? or is that they hate dnc and voting trump out of spite & anger. or just voting 3rd party or sitting it out. a reason why many minorities are not going to vote for harris.
i always remember this clip from wire whenever harris start bullshiting on camera
Nah, chief. There are only two viable candidates in most of our presidential elections due to how the system is set up.
But keep making shit up and spewing nonsense for the next few days. Momma always said "stick with what you're good at."
thats some very solid advice you get there, what was i thinking not following the system. germans solved so many problems following the system.
i won’t piss even piss on the other viable option if he was lit on napalm. i have never voted for him or his party or volunteered for them. i have done that for dnc for last 20 years.
are you a coward who is afraid of some orange buffon and throw away your vote in fear to reward some lobbyists owned hack who wants to continue genocide that they have already being doing for a year, skyhigh inflation, mega-corp owned housing, wants to promote fracking and waste money on building a wall they were mocking in 2016 and sucking up to war criminals like cheneys who are responsible for thosuands of dead us soldiers and millions of civilians ?
So, you're going with "coward" over "shill"? Good to know.
So here's the thing, by not casting a vote for the only other candidate who has any chance of winning this election, you are inarguably benefitting the other guy. It's simple, it should be self-evident, and if you're having such a hard time understanding it, then that either makes a statement about your ability to evaluate the reality of a situation or casts doubt on how much you really are against him.
Of the two options on the table, and once again there are only two options in this election, any voter who is opposed to the idea of a would-be fascist dictator should be casting a vote for Harris.
You can't "punish" her by withholding a vote, you can only make a Trump victory more likely.
Read that last part again, because you need to understand that it is a statement of the actuality of the matter at hand. By refusing to vote for the only other viable candidate, you've bolstered Trump's chances.
Protesting policy before the election is secured makes as much sense as it does positive impact. Which, to be clear, is none.
I'm sorry for you that you've let your temper tantrum towards the admittedly shitty DNC blind you to voting in the best interest of yourself, your neighbors, and the country as a whole. It's unfortunate for you, if you hate him so much, that you've facilitated him through your misplaced attempt to really show the dems you mean business. I truly hope that Harris emerges successful from this election, and that your mistake doesn't expedite the fascist agenda.
If she does become our next president despite the best efforts of misguided fools, I additionally hope that you will spend similar amounts of effort pushing for meaningful reform in both policy and the administration of our elections as you do maligning the only candidate other than Trump who has a chance at the presidency.
But I'm doubtful.
i applaud the effort you have put here to detail out your opinion. most of the logic here is also valid which may sway me by the election day when my anger and disgust might have cooled down. although remembering the sheer inhumanity of what’s being done in gaza has made me wish most painful of cancer on biden and anyone else enabling it. so voting for someone like that for presidency will be difficult. it makes it very difficult to convince myself that i am voting for a better person.
You need a few more rail forks downstream represent the groups getting protected by local governments. Which is the reality many states.
Which also allows you to make more informed decisions.
Everyone gets downvoted from time to time. In this case the reason is that you’re pro Trump. Perhaps not in philosophy but certainly in action. Which is all that matters.
By that logic, Kamala Harris is pro-Trump for her actions driving away voters.
My favorite bit here is looking at down/up vote ratios and translating that to the upper bound on the worst case scenario for harris.
3 hs account 🤔
Please don't kill me, I'm not american here.
I was permabanned from Reddit today for my lack of sympathy for Liz Cheney. Figured I’d check out lemmy.
Not going well so far. Already banned from politicalmemes for disturbing the pro-Harris echo chamber.
What you’re experiencing is a strong anti-Trump sentiment. Most people realize the way to prevent another Trump presidency is to vote Harris.
Doesn't mean we need to hand it to her though make it hurt in deep blue states.
Funny, I realize I haven't read the words 'echo chamber' since i left reddit some 15 months ago.
I was really surprised to see the election season bots here too. They really don’t want us talking to each other.
But I guess they’re not really hiding the panic now: https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/10/07/hillary-clinton-warns-we-lose-total-control-without-social-media-content-moderation/
Everyone else is the asshole, right?
Get off lemmy world
There are places where we can live without liberal bullshit, friend
Another 2 hs account
They've made over 30.
Tell me you don't understand a first past the post voting system without telling me.
For real though, you sound like an idealist, a perfectionist, who lets good be the enemy of perfect. I don't think you actually want a conversation - you want others to hear your voice and opinion.
They understand FPTP. They know what they're doing here.
Indeed we do.
Yep.
But you're in lemmy.world, and the commenters here are just looking to pick fights with rational thoughts like yours.
They are scared and are lashing out; I get it. But it's still not okay. Randos telling you you're supporting Trump is disingenuous garbage. They won't care that you still voted in congressional races and local issues.
I appreciate comments such as yours. Please don't be dissuaded from making them in the future.
"Rational thoughts"
"A vote for a third party candidate in an election with two viable candidates doesn't benefit the party I'm least aligned with."
Choose one. Both can't be true.
Ah, shit, I forgot... you lot are awful at understanding how binary decisions work.