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[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 weeks ago

I've tried searching for "person-independent neopronouns" and failed to find any results.

Care to explain how this is different than referring to one's self in the third person? Because I'll be honest, I have a hard time wrapping my head around this.

My respect isn't conditional to my understanding, but I feel I could respect better if I understood more.

[-] PyroNeurosis 11 points 3 weeks ago

My interpretation here is the first person (I), second person (you), and third person (he/she/they) pronouns are disregarded and are all represented by the neopronoun "drag".

I.e. use drag whenever you reference dragonfucker and you're golden.

[-] zagaberoo@beehaw.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

That makes sense, but what is the material difference? Isn't it ultimately the same thing by a different name?

[-] PyroNeurosis 3 points 3 weeks ago

Material difference of specific pronouns? Someone feels better, and I'm out no extra effort, I guess...

It's as much difference as personal preference in chocolate bar brands.

[-] zagaberoo@beehaw.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

I totally get respecting specific pronouns, no confusion there.

I don't see how the scenario presented in OP is different from wanting to be referred to in the third person.

[-] PyroNeurosis 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ah! Effectively none.

Which does bring up an unusual case: how should drag be referred to as part of a group? They and drag? Or would just they suffice?

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

They. It's the same as if you refer to a group of people with a man in it. The "he" is discarded. Drag doesn't use plural independent pronouns.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Okay but why not use the already gender-free pronouns I and you? That's got nothing to do with being trans, does it?

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Too much Elmo growing up. I knew that fucker would ruin Sesame Street.

[-] zagaberoo@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Some degree of identity erasure is inherent with mass pronouns; interesting question!

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

If you just one for one swap you run into weird grammar.

What do drag want to do?

Is that right or..?

[-] rain_worl@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

same with swapping in 'they'! i think most pronouns are singular, only 'they' is plural due to legacy junk, see:

  • what does he want to do?
  • what does drag want to do?
  • what does the cat want to do?
  • what do they want to do?
  • what do the cats want to do?

perhaps we should move towards singular they, eg 'what does they want to do?'

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean in the instance of directly addressing the person. If you 1 for 1 swap it sounds weird (what do drag), but if you change "do" to "does" it sounds like you're 3rd personing.

[-] PyroNeurosis 1 points 3 weeks ago

Perfect (per my understanding)!

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