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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 138 points 1 month ago

I'm a lifelong fan of political dramas. I watched the BBC version of House of Cards and adored The Manchurian Candidate.

There's stuff going on in this election that makes everything I ever read seem placid and tame.

[-] assembly@lemmy.world 131 points 1 month ago

Republicans would vote for the corpse of Trump before even considering not making a terrible decision. I cannot believe that this election is this close. It’s mind boggling that the outcome is currently a toss up between Nazi spray tan confused grandpa and middle road politician.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 month ago

The point isn't to get Trump into the Whitehouse; it's to get Vance into the whitehouse.

Trump will legitimately kick the bucket within the next four years, guaranteed. And Vance will be the one to take his place. Vance will be the one who is suddenly an "incumbant" backed by the heritage foundation who is actually reasonably well spoken, able to debate, far smarter than Trump, and younger.

Vance wasn't "chosen" by Trump, he came as a part of the deal with the Heritage Foundation to get him elected.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

My hope is that after Herr Trump finally croaks there will be a power vacuum in the party. Sure if he's elected and it happens in office there will be an effort to consolidate around Vance, but you know some looked over pissant is waiting in the wings to try to take the reins. If he's not elected it will likely be much more tumultuous. Here's hoping.

[-] flying_mechanic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Trump is a figurehead and mouth piece only, it's clear the backing and power behind him is pushing him, not the other way around. If Trump is dead or unelectable then they will sub in someone else. Trump's "saving grace" is that he was good at speaking in a relatable but obfuscating way which worked to foment the masses against imagined grievances, but that's not a trait unique to him. He is unfortunately replaceable with not much loss in momentum.

[-] drphungky@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Trump is definitely not a "figurehead only". He is a tiger that what's left of the Republican establishment has by the tail. They did not want him to win the primary again, they all hate him, and are just trying to get whatever judicial appointments and erosion of regulations they can out of him. Anyone who thinks Trump is a puppet is absolutely blind to American politics. He is an absolute wildcard that everyone is trying to react to, a whirlwind that folks hope they can push in the direction they want to destroy the things they want, but they are equally aware they can fall out of grace and be fired in two weeks like everyone in his last administration.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Trump will legitimately kick the bucket within the next four years, guaranteed.

Putin is furiously trying to figure out how to put polonium into a Big Mac

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This is nonsense. Putin and Trump are allies.

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[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

If he died tomorrow Republicans would be Black-Friday-75%-off-smart-tvs trampling each other to be the one to skin him and wear him so they could continue the coup.

[-] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

There is no middle road politician running. Harris by all accounts is firmly right wing.

[-] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 71 points 1 month ago

Bruh I know the Overton window in the US is megafucked but she's literally one of our most liberal politicians by voting record, she is not "firmly right wing" by any reasonable standard

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She's in favor of a fascist border policy against asylum seekers, a firm supporter of the fascist Zionist entity known as Israel, and wants to appoint members of the fascist party to her cabinet if she wins. She's been endorsed by architects of the Iraq war and the US torture program.

California's top cop is right-wing.

[-] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 45 points 1 month ago

Don't mistake me for a Kamala Harris apologist- she is absolutely a huge centrist in her presidential campaign. I am tired of this false equivalency with the total fascist ilk she's running against. It's not useful and it's dishonest.

[-] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

She is not a centrist, Bill Clinton was a centrist. With what she's proposing, her actions, and the endorsements she's fought for, she's on par with Trump. She may not say the quiet parts out loud like trump, but her actions speak louder than the words she's not saying.

[-] figjam@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Fascist collaborators are not centrists.

[-] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 7 points 1 month ago

I hate to be pedantic but that's almost exactly the definition of a centrist, someone who collaborates with both sides (even if one of those sides is fascist, genocidal, racist, etc.). And again, I don't disagree, it's a bad thing to be for exactly that reason. But it's also a different thing than being explicitly a right wing authoritarian fascist like Trump is.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

A centrist collaborates with the right and left (mostly the right), but fascists are to the right of the right. They're far right, which is a distinct grouping from ordinary right-wing ideology. Fascist collaboration requires becoming right-wing, just to meet them halfway.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

She's been endorsed by architects of the Iraq war and the US torture program.

Because your daddy is worse in their eyes.

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[-] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Their new slogan has that prominently on display, Country Over Party

*COP

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

If by right wing you mean not strictly anti-capitalist, sure, at the end of the day shes not going to ovsrthrow capitalism. Still the policies and protections she wants to enact is the furthest left we've gone in multiple lifetimes. The last time we've had any kind of policy proposal like hers was likely FDR.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

Do those accounts include the one where she just called for legalizing pot?

Or is that a Right position in your mind?

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 month ago

If you wrote this election into a political drama ten years ago, it'd get rejected as not believable.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

True story I have told so many times....

Right after the 2016 election the NY Times assembled a panel of all the creators of the top TV political dramas. House of Cards, West Wing, Scandal, Veep...

Every creator said the same thing. If they'd had a character say that they "liked soldiers who didn't get captured" the networks and advertisers would have demanded that character be shown as hated by all Americans and voted out by the next episode.

Meanwhile you have MAGooswho also fly the black POW/MIA flag next to their Trump flag

[-] icerunner_origin@startrek.website 6 points 1 month ago

Have you read Neal Stephenson's novel, Interface?

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

lol! Yes, yes I have.

I'll see and raise you. "The Porkchoppers" and "The Fools In Town Are On Our Side," both by Ross Thomas.

Thomas was a Washington reporter turned crime novelist. The first book is about a Union election and the second is about an attempt to clean up a small Southern city by making the corruption so bad that even the pimps will vote for reform.

[-] icerunner_origin@startrek.website 3 points 1 month ago

More to add to my neverending reading list 😊

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[-] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

::: spoiler Yeah but not until he pushes Maggie Haberman in front of a subway. That will be the turning point for me. :::

[-] dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It’s more ‘I, Claudius’ in my view

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

https://youtu.be/roI56_c_E6o

Really good breakdown of how the show used camera movement to tell the story.

Didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did.

Let me know what you think, okay?

[-] Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

FPTP-voting was created by wealthy romans to benefit wealthy romans, that anyone uses this system today is just bonkers to me and probably why this comparison of yours is not so far removed at all.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Haven't seen any shoes coming off yet, there's still time though.

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