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[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 89 points 3 weeks ago

If a human can choose how to interpret holy text however they want and there isn't an immediate response from a diety for interpreting them wrong, the texts must not really matter.

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

If only certain things matter, then nothing matters. I prefer a God who lets us be free.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

Does your preference matter?

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Many religions start out promoting freedom, and evolve to forbidding things and actions

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

That's normal: a free society has laws, even anarchism has rules. Freedom is not anomie.

The problem is that many religions, instead of proposing rules in order to better one's spiritual life, or instead of thinking of then as a means to an end, make rules an end in themselves. Rules can be freeing, but if they're their own end, they become confining.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago
  1. maybe there is no "wrong" way to interpret the text
  2. maybe your view of the response as only immediate is too limiting
  3. just playing devil's advocate here since you made some pretty big assumptions
[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

maybe there is no “wrong” way to interpret the text

If the intended interpretation of a text is "respect women" and you instead interpret the text as "you can own women", then you have interpreted the text incorrectly.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

but there is no way to know what the "intended" interpretation is. and often interpretations beyond the original creator's intent are still valuable and valid

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. There is definitely cases where it is impossible to know, but that doesn't mean there isn't wrong ways to interpret something.

You can be wrong without it being possible to know.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

how can it be possible to be wrong if there is no definitive correct answer?

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Just because it isn't possible to know doesn't mean there isn't a definite correct answer.

A destination can exist without a pathway to it.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

okay prove it. otherwise you're just making an assumption.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What did I have for breakfast this day 20 years ago?

  • You don't know who I am

  • You don't know where I live

  • You don't know what is culturally accepted for breakfast for me

  • You don't have any way to get a recording/CCTV video of me eating on that day

You do not have any pathway to arrive at the correct answer. However there is still a correct answer. I did in fact eat breakfast 20 years ago.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

yes but you have to consider that with a religious text there may not have been a single intended interpretation. that's like half the fun of mysticism after all

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

The problem is still there though, even if there is multiple possible answers.

Name any of the meals I had on this day 20 years ago. I almost certainly had more than one meal that day. But there still isn't a path to get to the correct answer.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

okay, here's a better question: does it matter if an interpretation is wrong? just because it is wrong doesn't mean it can't still be valuable

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

If the spiritual elements of it are valued, yes.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

just to be clear, your answer is that it matters that an interpretation is wrong if the spiritual elements are valued? could you clarify?

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