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Defederated/Blocked Instances Mega Thread (self.main)
submitted 1 year ago by CoachDom to c/main
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Hi guys,

Do you think we should have a mega thread (maybe even a locked one if that's an option) explaining why each specific instance is blocked from this instance?

Just to give some clarity.

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[-] ada 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At the moment, there are only 3 instances that are blocked.

You can see the list at https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances

Two of them were hate instances that died long before the threadiverse migration occurred.

The last one (exploding heads) is a right wing, trump worshipping bitcoin bro instance that was also defederated many months before the threadiverse migration occurred.

Going forward, basically, anything that gets defederated will almost universally have the following reason

"This instance was blocked as it was an ongoing source of transphobia and/or other bigotry"

[-] thebestlettuce 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah that would be best for transparency. Blocking an instance is a big deal and the decision should be held under a lot of scrutiny by the community imo so making the list easy to access is a good start

[-] CoachDom 10 points 1 year ago

My thoughts exactly. If we have a small group of people deciding what you can access and what you can't without any form of required transparency, then we are at risk of being part of a dishonest media.

[-] Lanthanae 2 points 1 year ago

+1 on this.

Honestly from my time here so far, I love the way y'all make decisions, but more transparency is never bad so why not 🤷

[-] purplepony 19 points 1 year ago

As a newbie here, it'd be great to see why things are happening the way they are. Transparency in general is cool imo.

[-] Sekoia 16 points 1 year ago

Speaking of, I definitely wouldn't mind defederating with lemmygrad (and maybe even lemmy.ml itself, since it resolves to the same IP) because it is suuuuper tankie.

Hell, I wouldn't mind moving to kbin, but that's probably a bit annoying for most since most of us just moved off of reddit.

[-] ada 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We've got a kbin instance coming, but as a platform, it's more alpha than beta, so there are speedbumps. It's coming though :)

When it comes to defederation, it's pretty simple. Blahaj is a community for queer and gender diverse folk. Protecting that community and other marginalised users from hate is the main priority of my moderation decisions.

If the admins of any instance (including the devs instances) let hate and bigotry spread and start hurting members of the Blahaj community, then that instance will be blocked. Other than that, I'm unlikely to defederate whole instances.

[-] CommunistLady 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

agree, splitting a queer community over sectarianism is very bad vibes, especially considering 196 has nothing to do in particular with queerness, and in fact from what ive seen are very fetishizing of transgender people on their old subreddit. though i just learned about it today

[-] valpackett 3 points 1 year ago

Why are people talking about kbin as if it was a separate universe?? I don't see the point of hosting both platforms, it would be like if you added Akkoma in addition to Calckey

[-] ada 7 points 1 year ago

It's not a seperate universe, so much as a different lens through which to view the fediverse, and ny nature of being a different instance, it will also have it's own community.

If I could stick lemmy and kbin front ends on the same instance, and let people choose, I'd do that, but alas, it can't be done.

And personally, I prefer what kbin will be (though not what it is now) compared to lemmy. The tighter integration with the wider fediverse is a killer feature

[-] rosesandlillies 11 points 1 year ago

I’m very new here and I don’t know much, still learning. However I only found my two favorite reddit communities (dota2 and formula1) on lemmy.ml. It seems that lemmy.ml is a lot more mainstream so I’m not sure about defederating it. Would like more input from you as I’m very clueless still

[-] Sekoia 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, probably shouldn't defederate from lemmy.ml even if they're probably okay with tankies since it's still the main instance. Lemmygrad though.. Definitely. I've already blocked a few subs over there myself, and if I can figure out how to block the instance itself I'll definitely do it.

[-] CoachDom 15 points 1 year ago

But unless they are not doing anything illegal, why should even considering defedarating with them if you don't agree with their political or other views, ,just don't visit/follow/post. I just don't see why would you block access to it - seems a bit authoritarian for somebody to decide that because you belong in this group, you are not allowed to view/access this group.

[-] Sekoia 18 points 1 year ago

They're tankies lol, they're genocide deniers. It's not really a matter of "I don't agree with them" it's "these people are awful", and I don't want them to come in here to "debate". They're not nazis, but they're in the same vein. Just from scrolling All/new, I randomly got a post about how "North Korea is actually doing great and all the defectors are lying".

I'm not a mod, I have no authority, and I don't decide at the end of the day.

[-] CoachDom 7 points 1 year ago

Sounds reasonable! And if somebody doesn't agree, can either create an account under a particular instance.

Still, I believe in the spirit of transparency, it should be widely declared and known why specific instance got defederated.

[-] Sekoia 9 points 1 year ago

yeah no absolutely transparency is the best

[-] rosesandlillies 9 points 1 year ago

I don’t agree/disagree as I don’t fully understand the nuances, but I’d assume it’s more of a protection as this server is more tailored towards a vulnerable minority, and eliminating a group of people who would pose a danger to this minority isn’t necessarily a bad thing, especially if you can just access it through another account or so. Now I haven’t interacted with or seen content from said tankies so I don’t know how bad the situation is etc, but theoretically speaking.

[-] rosesandlillies 5 points 1 year ago

Eliminating access** lol Idk how to edit here

[-] Lux 2 points 1 year ago

Lol in context I knew what you meant, but the thought of just exterminating anyone that might be a threat is hilarious

[-] Sekoia 2 points 1 year ago

The three little dots under your comment, then the square with a pencil.

[-] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

what is the paradox of tolerance

[-] Lanthanae 2 points 1 year ago

I agree that we shouldn't never tolerate intolerance, but I don't think we need to block of access to an entire server of people in response to the intolerance of a few. That's more appropriately handled in the realm of community/individual level blocks in my opinion.

[-] Lanthanae 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's gonna be realllllly hard to keep people on this instance if we defederate lemmy.ml. Lots of large communities moved there because it's been treated as the de-facto instance, so we'd be walling ourselves off from tons of thriving communities that have nothing to do with those admins.

Personally, I think defederating an instance should be something done only if absolutely necessary. Is it possible to just block communities we dislike on an account level? (Genuine question, I haven't tried that yet)

[-] allhailsbuxcorporate 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, I already did it to the 196 community because the memes were too much

[-] guildz 5 points 1 year ago

I am not sure about specifics, but this (https://thebad.space/about) is a community curated list of mastodon instances which should be blocked.

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