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It should end with Riker and Deanna on the holodeck
I'd actually be ok with this.
And Picard.
Retcon them both.
No it’s a cgi aged-down Wil Wheaton, and Riker barges in to tell him he’s late for his shift at navigation or whatever.
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Am I alone in liking that ending?
I like it too! I would say there are literally dozens of us but you're the first I've ever encountered in the wild.
Well, I don’t necessarily need Riker, but then I never thought Disco was really Star Trek. It could stand on its own feet perfectly fine but shoehorning it into TOS killed it for me. VOY and DS9 were great and showed that you could do different and still fit well.
I always felt like they stretched a Star Trek skin over another IPs pilot in season 1
It reminded me a lot of Stargate Universe, a complete tonal whiplash that was clearly imitating other popular shows rather than a continuation of the franchise. I was pretty kind to it in the beginning because SGU got pretty good after I got over it not being Stargate as well, but Discovery S2 completely killed any hope I had.
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Meh. Looking forward to this show dying and making way for the good, new Trek shows, like LD, SNW, and Picard's Season 3 (sorta).
So tired of Michael Burnham and her stupid "Magical Burnham Problem Solving Mary-su Solution Express". Really too bad, because Saru, Tilly, Georgiuo, Staments, Adira, and basically all of the other characters are REALLY interesting in this show. Unfortunately, they didn't relegate Burnham's character for being a "get out of writer's block free card" to the background and that basically doomed it.
Prodigy too, first season was fantastic.
You’ve described precisely how I feel about Disco, Trek is supposed to be about the whole team solving problems but somehow in any century…the destiny of the universe is all about her. Remove deus ex Burnham from the show and it could be so much better. Saru, Stamets and all are great, they’re just background to the Michael story.
I like Discovery, but I have to agree. So many of the narrative problems could have been solved by simply giving the line(s) of dialogue in which Burnham solves a problem to someone else on the bridge. Easy peasy. Mix it up.
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In my head Discovery will always be ST:MBS - The Michael Burnham Show.
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didn't he play grudge
I am so sorry but I cannot give you the point. You forgot to say "umm...actually".
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well I'll be
Relying on cultural hot topics rather than real character building killed this show. The spore drive was also kinda "out there" though interesting. I wish the best for the cast.
The show has one non-binary character and a gay couple and suddenly they're relying on "cultural hot topics".
Please.
Disco had a lot of flaws, and most of them were the same flaws we saw in Picard: the writers just couldn't write full season plot arcs that were satisfying and believable. This is made worse because each season had to raise the stakes, to the point where it just got kinda exhausting. Meanwhile the show just took itself way too seriously, without really earning my emotional investment.
The show has one non-binary character and a gay couple and suddenly they’re relying on “cultural hot topics”.
the gay men brushed their teeth wont somebody think of the children
No, it's the modern, basic portrayal of those characters and their issues that's the problem.
Star Trek is supposed to reflect on human problems and foibles with allegory. Not just slap you across the face with, "see, gays are normal, too!" Yes, we watch Star Trek. We know. Make it more interesting with an allegory tied to a other characters that aren't supposed to be professional officers from a species that's prescribed as already past these issues.
By putting so much basic and direct human drama in STD, they bastardized the entire bluepeint of the show.
im not sure how one is slapped across the face with normalcy but if you're saying discovery didnt go far enough with the barely-disguised left wing messaging we usually see in star trek i agree wholeheartedly
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I agree with the original post. It's what also killed it for me. Felt like the writers went for the lowest hanging fruit.
I mean it's Star Trek, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, nobody cares about that. Be whoever you want to be, you will be accepted. To me that's what Star Trek has always been about, you will always be included.
Don’t even remember when I stopped watching it, I tried a few episodes each season and I just gave up. Burnham has such a great smile but in all episodes she has a nervous breakdown and is always sad. At least that's how I remember the series in my head. Everybody's depressed. Don't remember anything else.
I mean it’s Star Trek, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, nobody cares about that.
You're implying that Discovery showed characters giving a shit about someone's skin color, gender or sexual orientation?
The show wrIters OBVIOUSLY cared. So much so it shined right through the writing.
Yes absolutely! Well said. Progressive themes shined through in the writing, but on-screen the characters never made a big deal out of it. That's been very Star Trek since the days of TOS. An episode like "Let that be your Last Battlefield" would have a shoved-down-your-throat antiracist message, but it was a metaphor and not directly about Uhura, who's race was never discussed.
Well, except that one time by space Abraham Lincoln.
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@MotoAsh @Lwaxana I think DS9 writers cared al lot more than Discos ones. Like, Sisko was misgendering Dax almost every time he addressed her (it wasn't serious as it was made obvious it was fine between them, but it was present in almost every episode). And Kor corrects himself quickly when Dax says she is Jadzia now, while the other klingons need more time to accept her. Meanwhile in Disco I only remember one instance of "I'd rather be addressed as this" "sure!".
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The depression and other emotional issues is what got me. It's supposed to be Star Fleet, yet every character is like 12 flavors of drama that should be seen as unprofessional. I enjoy diversity, however Discovery constantly used it in a way where the characters are either struggling with their identity or have practically made it their entire personality, which is stupid because ST has made clear that in its future, no one gives a shit about that stuff because everyone is free to be who they are.
I mean, they even ran out of oppressed minorities and had to start making up their own like Saru's struggle with being a prey species. Or the fucking ship having an identity crisis.
Honestly, the alien stuff is exactly where there is most fertile soil for allegory there. That's what killed it for me, too. They're all unprofessional drama queens from the 21st century. Not space exploration officers from centuries in the future.
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Relying on cultural hot topics
I might regret asking this, but what "cultural" topics are you saying Discovery "relied on"?
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Pretty mean thing to say about Jonathan Frakes...
I enjoyed the wackiness that the spite drive introduced.
spore drive
I could get down for a spite drive too.
It would work thousands of years off of one drop of League of Legends solo queue.
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That has been a disturbing trend
I'm sorry but... I'm particularly offended by you pointing out numbers here. 50 years? Fuck you. Just.. fuck you.
TNG aired in 1987, so it's only 37 years. Whomever it was that wrote that headline stretched a bit to generate some extra clicks. Yeah, TAS ended in 1974, but there's still 13 years in between where there was no Star Trek, which is apparently getting lumped into the Star-Trek-that-Riker-has-shown-up-in bundle.
I mean, that's technically correct then. The last time there was a Trek Show without Frakes was 1974 (50 years ago)
Phrased differently, "it has been 50 years since a Star Trek show ended without a Jonathan Frakes appearance."
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They are counting the time spent as a twinkle in his mom's eye.
Thats good. That it ends that is.
when i was a kid, i used to watch tng with my dad every saturday when i went to his house. the only bad thing about picard and discovery is that i wasn't able to watch it with my dad.
I don't mind people not liking discovery, such is the nature of these things.
People who claim Discovery isn't Trek then swoon over Picard in the same comment can eat my whole ass though 😂
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Riker probably wouldn't be able to hear Burnham whisper yelling at him, anyway.
I like Frakes.
That said, in also like pretty much all Trek. I'm not a big fan of some of the series, but I don't hate them, nor am I going to go around saying they're "not trek" because reasons.
I'm looking forward to seeing more from the franchise, and I feel a bit alone in my universal enjoyment of Trek. There's so many people hating on disco or Picard or whatever... I enjoy all of it.
I also enjoy Star wars and Orville, and Stargate, and pretty much most sci-fi.... The only stuff, that's popular, that I have no opinion on is Babylon 5, mainly because I have not watched any of it. Between that, the og BSG and some of the star wars properties (like the animated shows), I've watched almost all of the mainstream sci-fi, and honestly, it's all pretty damn good.
I really liked how they forced the issue about time travel in disco, where the time machine suit thing wouldn't go unless she went back to all the points she needed to in order to bring this circumstance to happen. I thought that was spot on. I try to ignore the multitude of time paradoxes in voy, and there are many, but it's probably my least favorite part of that specific show, too much time shit, and it's all done very poorly.
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Homie I'm 37 not 50.
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