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[-] Nopulseoflife@discuss.online 51 points 7 months ago

No one would win a war between NATO and Russia. No one.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

NATO has half a million troops. The largest navy and air force in the world. I like their chances

[-] EmilyIsTrans 13 points 7 months ago

Both sides have enough nukes to kill the entire human race several times over.

[-] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

More like hundreds or maybe thousands of times over

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I would win. In times of war, I become a gentleman thief and underworld figure who is useful to both sides.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

The shareholders would absolutely win.

[-] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Yes, for a brief moment

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

nobody wins or loses. it's decades of civilian deaths and economic devastation, until someone decides to quit. people think everything is ww2 it's just not like that.

[-] toastus@feddit.de 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Good job repeating russian propaganda.

Edit: Not that I care about internet points.
But the thought that opposing russia would lead to nuclear war is exactly what Putin wants people in the west to think to keep bullying and suppressing everyone around him.

He is bluffing though and he knows it.

He said delivering supplies to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

He said delivering arms to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

He said delivering tanks to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

He said delivering planes to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

Because he can't. He knows he would lose everything.

[-] DriftinGrifter 18 points 7 months ago
[-] toastus@feddit.de 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Like I don't know that, like anyone doesn't know that.

Still noone, not the winning side, and especially not the losing side has any real incentive to launch them first.
It's basic game theory, you never choose the option that has you lose absolutely everything, even if the alternative has you lose something big (like a war, or even your life).

Even crazed dictators like Putin know this.
And not even Putin can launch a nuke on his own. Even he needs generals and engineers that all know that not only they themselves will die if they obey, also their families will die, everyone they know will die if they obey.

We will never see full scale nuclear war, because noone at all could ever want that.

But Putin benefits from rubes just letting him bully everyone around him because, boo hoo he is so crazy and scary and after so many crossed red lines the next one surely is the one that makes him suicide himself, his wife, his daughter, his country, his place in history and anyone or anything he ever valued or cared about.

[-] DriftinGrifter 6 points 7 months ago

Right and neither side has an incentive to push the other side to launch them so before a deciding victory a stailmate will occur and after a year or two the fighting will beginning again with no real problems solved and thousands of innocent young men paying for it

[-] toastus@feddit.de 11 points 7 months ago

That's just wrong for the simple reason that NATO is vastly superior in any form of conventional warfare.

NATO against russia would be nothing like WW2.
It would be a one sided beating.

And russia would lose and lose fast.

But russia would still have no incentive to be the first to launch nukes, because that would change the situation from bad to total annihilation.

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[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

You see, this is the entirely wrong and often cited cliché that people think of when talking about war between Russia and NATO, but in reality, no such war between superpowers would be fought with nuclear weapons because there is no incentive for it, conventional warfare is much more desirable, even for the losing party. That's why I think that we shouldn't be afraid of openly opposing and fighting the People's Republic in the Taiwan Strait in the defense of the actual China. And even if these autocracies would be stupid enough to use nuclear weapons then we've still got systems for intercepting ballistic missiles in-flight in the upper atmosphere. A war between superpowers would not nearly be as disastrous as the Russians and Chinese want you to think.

[-] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

And even if these autocracies would be stupid enough to use nuclear weapons then we’ve still got systems for intercepting ballistic missiles in-flight in the upper atmosphere.

Hol' up. We've got systems. None that actually work. Hitting an ICBM is like hitting a needle in a haystack with a needle in a haystack. I'm sure we've made progress since the 80s Star Wars programs. But even if a fraction of the nukes detonate where they are supposed to, that's the end of civilization.

[-] DriftinGrifter 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Losing Party tends to be The people though not the ones in charge

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[-] Hubi@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago

Russia won't dare to use nukes as long as the fighting happens within Ukrainian borders. Putin and the oligarchs aren't willing to lose their kleptocracy over a piece of land they only tried to get because they felt it was a safe move. An actual NATO intervention would be a way out of the conflict for them without losing face.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

russia has a massive population and a wartime economy. in some ways it's bigger than all the european nato countries combined. the idea that they would just fall over is absolutely western propaganda.

putin can suck my balls but he's not an idiot.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Russia can't even take on a former client state, their military is a joke compared to any single NATO member. They're not a near peer for the US, maybe a near peer for some of the lesser NATO members. Russia would lose any conventional war against NATO without question. They barely have the personnel to fight Ukraine, they're not going to be able to go after NATO. Hell, how much of their black sea fleet is left above water? And that's against a country that doesn't even have a goddamn Navy.

The only way they would bring out nukes is if we invaded Russia proper. Which I don't think anyone is stupid enough to do.

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[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Their population is already war weary.

[-] Pussydogger@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

The weapons manufacturer win!

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[-] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

The Lithuanian foreign minister sums up the response thus far very well here.

"We declare red lines for ourselves, but not for Russia. We publicly tie our own hands while leaving Putin free to pillage, rape and destroy. We create strategic transparency, not strategic ambiguity. It's time to change course."

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

I know the Baltics have more skin in the game but I have to say politically they are playing an absolute blinder at the moment. Just hard spoken, no nonsense, absolute facts coming out of each of them along with such great support.

Hats off to them.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

Nobody wants a war between NATO and Russia because in that scenario, everybody loses.

Russia wouldn't win a ground conflict, but they'd sure-as-hell nuke the fuck out of every major city.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

That would be the end of Russia and they know it.

[-] itslilith 29 points 7 months ago

It would also be the end of NATO and probably the rest of the world. That's why it's called mutually assured destruction. But it seems like recently policy makers are forgetting that

[-] efstajas@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

That's exactly the point. Why would Russia send nukes if it knows it'll be destroyed in retribution?

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[-] cupcakezealot 27 points 7 months ago

which is why he's actively pushing for trump to win so there is no more nato

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Not only is this someone talking but it's talking about postulating about someone else's inner thoughts. Not an event, not a change. Not fucking news.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

From the same people that claimed the Ukraine issue would be resolved in a few weeks, and Russia days from defeat dozens of times since it started. Putin has cancer and wont survive much longer, Russia was using WWII shovels to fight. NATO and the US doesnt want to win war, they want to prolong it. The MIC doesnt want to win war, they want to prolong it.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Why would they want to prolong it?

[-] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 7 months ago

Because of some Lemmy leftie conspiracy theory.

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[-] Pussydogger@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Let's exercise to defuse the situation instead. This guy like the kid at school who shouts "fight fight fight" at school!

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago

You know what would defuse the situation? Russia getting the fuck out of Ukraine for starters!

[-] Pussydogger@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Please volunteer at the front line 😀

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'll be sure to bring extra ammo bb <3

That reminds me, I should donate to the Ukrainian defense effort again, thanks!

[-] feine_seife@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

Dont worry if there is going to be ww3 you will be able to tell it the Russians yourself.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

lmao, Russia would get absolutely stomped especially at this point. They are doomed to be a CCP vassal state.

They can't even beat a smaller state like Ukraine, NATO would absolutely wreck what's left of Putin's shitty little kleptocracy.

All Russia could try to do is launch nukes but they would get glassed immediately.

You live in an insane fantasy world.

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 14 points 7 months ago

We'd all die

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Russian President Vladimir Putin doesn't really want a conflict with NATO because in that scenario Russia would quickly lose, the head of the UK's armed forces said on Tuesday.

Speaking at an event in London, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said that "the inescapable fact is that any Russian assault or incursion against NATO would prompt an overwhelming response."

Radakin, speaking at a defense conference in London's Chatham House, said the UK is "not on the cusp of war with Russia.

He said that the thousands of allied troops stationed in Poland and the Baltic states could draw on the "three-and-a-half million uniformed personnel across the alliance for reinforcement."

Referring to Sweden and Finland joining, he said NATO is growing from 30 to 32 nations, "with a collective GDP twenty times greater than Russia.

He added: "Russia's Army has lost nearly 3,000 tanks, nearly 1500 artillery pieces, and over 5,000 armored fighting vehicles."


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[-] deft@lemmy.wtf 8 points 7 months ago

like I said Russia can barely handle shitting their own pants. they can't handle someone else shitting their pants too

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not entirely sure on that, because whatever intel he's getting fed on there war, has to be the best horseshit ever. I don't think that even Putin can ignore ~15.000 lost vehicles.

Meaning, he could very well believe he'd win.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

News flash! One nation can't win vs the strongest military country of the world + an entire continent of it's allies!

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 7 points 7 months ago

Russia vs NATO might actually be a three day operation, at least in terms of the clash of armies.

Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal is quite an effective deterrent.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Nowdays being a clown is really well paid

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 5 points 7 months ago

Pretty sure NATO is going to be tested. After Ukraine. He'll build up his forces on a board and see what happens. If there isn't a NATO build up response, I worry he'll push over that boarder. Then what? We going to nuke him? No, we won't. Partly because Putin has got friends in high places in the West. If we didn't ready a traditional response, we could be salami sliced while we debate when to nuclearly respond.

https://youtu.be/o861Ka9TtT4

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