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[-] skymtf 81 points 8 months ago

I always disliked RCS, I kept telling people it's a walled garden, mainly controlled by Google

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 23 points 8 months ago

Even so you'd think they'd want to get as many people as possible on board with RCS to increase adoption, not fewer.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

Then what they're doing tells us all we need to know.

Google wants to control what data they can glean from RCS users.

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[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I agree. You're much better off just using Signal. It's not federated/decentralized, but all client apps, the protocol and the server code are completely open source and anyone can fork the project. It also works on every platform, its encryption protocol is the most secure one out there and it's been around for over 10 years. They also recently added some cool new privacy features.

[-] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 9 points 8 months ago

Ok good. But then there's the problem of actually convincing people to use Signal. A messaging app is pointless if nobody else wants to use it.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 44 points 8 months ago

Good standard you have there. Good features are proprietary to Google and you can't use it while rooted.

Lmao

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 8 months ago

Every day I am attracted more and more by PinePhone. At least as a secondary device, at first.

Perhaps it's not even close to polished yet with existing distributions, but at least it isn't made to be shitty.

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[-] peter@feddit.uk 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is shitty, but genuinely I have no idea why people root or run custom ROMs these days. I haven't found an actual use for it since about 2015

Edit: plenty have people have given me fair enough reasons now, thanks

[-] AnEilifintChorcra@sopuli.xyz 81 points 8 months ago
  • Less bloat ware/spy ware - custom ROMs don't come prepackaged with random shady games from shady companies or random shady social media apps from shady social media companies.

  • Better privacy and security implementations along with DeGoogling - a lot of ROMs offer Gappless ROMs which is really important since Google is way to big and has too much influence on android OEMs and its easily the biggest ad company in the world and constantly refused to respect peoples privacy. e.g GrapheneOS https://grapheneos.org/features and DivestOS https://divestos.org/

  • Long term software support to help against e-waste e.g LineageOS supports so many phones who's manufacturers have stopped supplying software updates. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

  • Customization e.g Crdroid includes loads of custom settings from a variety of other custom ROMs and OEM ROMs that rarely get implemented by any stock ROMs. https://crdroid.net/

  • Rooting android phones gives users the ability to access system files that they may not have been able to backup if the apps don't support it. It also allows for a full system backup and restore

  • It also allows users to block ads and unwated connections without using a local VPN e.g adaway

Enabling Google to dictate what a user can do with their own device by limiting features is a slippery slope and the last thing we want to happen is for Android to end up like iOS with its walled garden approach.

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The walled garden is something that grows fast everywhere. Users should have the rights over their devices. Maybe its time to get the EU on this train, their last approaches like the GDPR or the DSA are from near the same spirit.

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You can still install custom roms without root enabled. Enabling root access is an optional step on most custom roms installation as long as your bootlooader has been unlocked. The question is, does google disable rcs on such devices too, or is it just on rooted devices?

[-] AnEilifintChorcra@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 months ago

As of 2024, Google is now quietly blocking RCS messages on unlocked/rooted android devices. Even if your device only has an unlocked bootloader, it is now at risk of being quietly shadowbanned from sending RCS text messages.

According to the OP that opened the issue with Google, it doesn't work with devices with unlocked bootloaders so it would affect the majority of custom ROM users since very few custom ROMs and devices support relocking the bootloader, and I think it probably would still affect these devices too since the last time I relocked a bootloader with DivestOS I still had the error message about system integrity on boot

Rooted users can probably bypass this issue with some Magisk modules the same way they do with GPay and banking apps.

If Google really does want to push RCS then disabling access to the more technically inclined users now seems a bit silly.

I thought they'd at least wait for wider adoption before locking it down like they're doing with YouTube and ad blockers, especially with imessage and WhatsApp being such big competitors. At least in Europe, I don't see anyone dropping WhatsApp for RCS anytime soon.

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[-] kayaven@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago

You want an example? GrapheneOS, to take back my privacy.

[-] scorpionix@feddit.de 31 points 8 months ago
[-] peter@feddit.uk 16 points 8 months ago

I was speaking for myself, I have no idea why people do it. Didn't say there aren't legitimate reasons, I just don't know any of them

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have installed custom ROM (PixelExperience) on my Moto G5s Plus. This way I extended its life by 2 years. The stock ROM only went up to Android 8.1 and was very slow and buggy, unlike with Android 7. This way I got Android 11 which was newest at the time. It was also much faster than the flawed 8.1 update.
Additionally, PixelExperience allowed some nice things. It looks like Google Pixel phone, even to Google, so I got free unlimited photo/video backups. This may be against ToS, but it's not like I said I have a Pixel 5, they decided that I do ¯⁠\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)_⁠/⁠¯.
Another really great thing is routing Wi-Fi hotspot over VPN. I definitely don't want someone using my internet connection raw.

Next, root. I have only done that with Samsung Galaxy Ace from 2011. No locked bootloader BS, just flash, Tada! Rooted.
This allowed me to do full backups, including apps on that device.

But there's countless other uses, most of which I forgot. Some that I can think of that would be useful to me are:

  • Proper firewall
  • Access to Android folder (without using desktop) (removed since Android 11)
  • Full app backups
  • Routing hotspot over VPN
  • Band locking on Qualcomm SoC (possible without root on Exynos and MediaTek)
  • WPS push and WPS pin Wi-Fi connection (insecure) (removed since Android 9)
  • Opening ports <1024
  • Changing screen resolution and aspect ratio (useful for screen mirroring)
  • Removing bloatware
  • Changing Wi-Fi MAC address manually
  • Battery charge limiting (e.g. to 80%)
  • Precise management of app permissions
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[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Privacy? I am astonished that you're seriously asking this.

Is this the point about unlocking the bootloader being risky, or did you just pour the Google/Samsung advertisement ethos down your throat?

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[-] strawberry@kbin.run 17 points 8 months ago

for me , privacy. no google services run in my phone, and none od my data gets shared with anyone

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because it's my device, not Googles.

Do you let Dell lock down your laptop and prevent you creating an Admin account?

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because it's my fucking phone.

Custom "rom"s extend the life of the device via both security updates and app compatibility. They're usually able to be used without propriety Google shit at all, if the person wants.

Just rooting allows more control over what is and isn't on the device, which goes back to the "my fucking phone" factor as well as the rest.

Yeah, you can partially debloat via adb, but that's a partial solution to a systematic problem.

And that's ignoring apps that can do more with root, if you want them to have those abilities.

Edit: hell, just access to hosts file is enough justification.

[-] ElectroLisa 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Delete bloatware or just straight up remove all of the Google services

[-] squid_slime@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Custom roms: I don't want google service on my device.

As to rooting, I have rooted in the passed, its my device and I'm a tinkerer so why not?

Might as well ask why people run linux after buying a laptop with pre installed windows.

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[-] ivn@jlai.lu 10 points 8 months ago

How do you keep a phone more than 5 years while still having security updates without a custom ROM?

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[-] lascapi@jlai.lu 13 points 8 months ago

I don't know why, but that a sad news :/

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 21 points 8 months ago

Good news.

The more people they keep from using this garbage "standard", the better.

It still requires a phone number. It still falls back to SMS, it still fails, a LOT - just see the comments in this thread.

It's 20 years too late.

XMPP was better, in 2010, than RCS is today. I was using XMPP on my phone in 2010, messaging people on computers, seamlessly. Without a phone number. On multiple services using Pidgin.

No thanks, I don't want this garbage called RCS.

[-] icerunner_origin@startrek.website 12 points 8 months ago

I don't get the RCS hype. I already have apps for rich messaging and RCS offers nothing for me over those apps. What I do appreciate is SMS, which is posed to be killed-off by RCS. I can rely on SMS even when there is no data signal, can't say that for RCS. I wish I had a way to permanently disable RCS on my Pixel 6a, instead I have to keep rejecting the 'upgrade to RCS' dialog.

[-] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 6 points 8 months ago

The hype is because America won't switch to Internet messaging by default and only wants one app to message with. So SMS is the only primary option for that. Meaning lower resolution media, and a lack of modern features like read receipts and typing indicators.

[-] epyon22@programming.dev 12 points 8 months ago

I was wondering why RCS just stopped working the other day

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

My husband and I were having an issue yesterday sending an RCS message, they were never getting delivered. They ended up being sent via SMS. It cleared up after an hour or so

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