In my experience it has mainly been people posting about why Biden deserves to lose the presidency and then flipping it to "Chill bro it's just the primary" when challenged.
Deserves' got nothin to do with it.
Biden is going to lose the presidency if he doesn't address the obvious flaws in his election campaign. Protest votes in the primary are just that, protest votes. They're trying to send a message to the president that they are democrats, they aren't supporting another candidate, but they have serious (and in my opinion legitimate) concerns.
The number of political pundits and armchair campaign managers shouting about how those protest votes help Trump is ridiculous. That's what this meme is referencing.
Biden needs to win in Michigan. He needs to carry Virginia and Ohio and Wisconsin. Georgia would be a boon, but I don't want to need it. Right now, Trump is even or ahead in all of those states, and nobody can fix that except Biden.
Edit to add a link for anyone who doesn't think it exists.
Die hard Isreal supporters WILL vote for trump instead of biden. They are single issue voters. Anyone not voting for biden over failure to support Palestine is a full fledged idiot to support trump instead. Just stop repeating this bullshit already.
Did you reply to the wrong person? Nothing you said was relevant to what I said.
I get the frustration and I, too, agree with the criticism being thrown at Biden. I just suppose I don't see how people object to the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils when the consequence is the greater of two evils retaking power.
I have to believe most people making those types of arguments are either single-issue voters who think Trump will be better for Palestine, or they are not members of vulnerable classes (e.g. immigrants, women, LGBTQ+, non-Christians, racial minority groups) whose rights would be imperiled by a Trump presidency, and therefore have nothing to lose.
Edit: Wow this was holding positive yesterday and now we're at -10. Guess the downvote trolls were out in full force while the US slept.
I just suppose I don't see how people object to the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils when the consequence is the greater of two evils retaking power.
Because he'll lose! That's the objection. It's a losing strategy. Trump is the greater evil, and he's winning because Biden is not doing enough to win votes. People had a reason to vote against Trump four years ago, but now they have reasons to vote against Biden. Anybody willing to vote for Trump is not a reasonable person, but far too many reasonable people won't bother to show up because they don't have a reason to vote for Biden.
I agree with everything else you said.
Thats why all the threads on the Michigan uncommitted campaign are completely empty of libs saying that voting uncommitted in a primary is helping Trump. /s
Also, per the usual, shits posted in the wee hrs of the murican morn, just like all the other shitty russian propaganda that gets posted on lemmy. They post this just as americans are getting up and use their spam accounts to quickly inflate the vote total before anyone with more than 15 functioning braincells catches on and calls em out on it. Ive been noticing more ppl on lemmy calling this BS out recently. Sometimes the internet still gives me hope in humanity.
Midnight in Los Angeles? Yes, comrade. You figured me out!
It's classic motte-and-bailey technique
I had no idea there was even a name for that, thank you for the info!
My experience is people saying Biden shouldn't win the presidency and I tell them they should express their dissatisfaction in the primary instead of giving the presidency to Trump and then they're like "no, primaries are meaningless".
In this case the primary is meaningless, there is no chance of an incumbent president not being the nominee. Even in the New Hampshire ballot where Biden wasn't even a named candidate, he still won as a write-in.
I won't judge anyone for voting however they want in the primary, at least, and I think it's dumb if you do. I've voted for candidates who dropped out in the past just to express my displeasure at the de facto nominee.
The uncommitted campaign seems to have them frazzled, they wouldn't have establishment Dems telling people that the uncommitted campaign helps trump if it had no effect at all. They are watching, it rattles their confidence, and seems to have at least some amount of impact on policy, and I don't see a downside.
Yeah people really think that and you're totally not making shit up right now
Well, I literally had to explain how different states have different rules for their primaries. Some are open and anyone can vote and others only allow registered R or D to vote in their respective primaries (or caucus or whatever).
I'm not sure what your experience is when talking details of the US election system to people who only vote during the presidential election, but most people aren't well informed. They are too busy working to make ends meet and the system puts extra steps so people get confused or tired and stop looking into it.
I had to explain to a co-worker that they can vote for whatever they want and it's ok to leave some blank if they're unsure. She thought her entire ballot didn't count if she left some of the measures blank. So she never voted because "there's too many things to research".
Years ago I had to explain to my own mother, that registering for a party doesnt dictate your vote. She thought if she signed up as a Democrat she would only be able to vote for Democrats.
Well that is something. It's almost like they don't teach us how to vote, or organize, or be civil servants for a reason.
Do you seriously believe what you wrote here? You think most Americans understand how primaries work? That's fascinating.
I can't tell if ignorance is bliss, or if you're just optimistic
No.. Seriously.. Is this an actual thing? The whole world knows about how the American voting system works (or doesn't ) and you have Americans who don't?
This actually makes way more sense than expected
It's not. OP is mostly anti-Biden spam. Posting stuff like this is to obfuscate their intent. Make it seem like other people just don't get what they're saying.
A lot of people are ignorant of the whole entire process. This is not an accident. If you educate your voter base, they might vote against you.
One of them seems to be the Michigan governor, even.
(See her criticism of the “Listen to Michigan” campaign.)
They know how it works. They just want progressives' eternal silence.
No it doesn't. I'm pretty interested in politics so I understand some of it
If you're pretty interested in politics you should learn how it works. I'm not interested in politics, but fully understand how they work.
And yea it is a weird and convoluted system, but it's really not that complex or confusing.
I understand how the system of the country I live in works. I was responding to the comment that everyone in other countries understands how the system works in the USA.
Even liberals are getting fed up with Biden's shit.
He should take note.
The straw-est of mans. The argument is that Trump will win the General if you don't vote for Biden in the General. Nobody cares what you do in the primary.
The Biden surrogates online called the Michigan uncommitted voters terrorists so...
So, who are you a surrogate for? You agenda post all day.
I'm a surrogate for no one. I just like to remind Dems their idols are faux.
Isn't the point of voting Uncommitted to send a message, to provoke a response?
I'm not saying they shouldn't have. By all means apply some pressure, but when doing so recognize that there will be a reaction. Not following up with that with additional pressure, or an organized follow through turns what could have been real pressure into windbaggery.
No offense to you in particular, but this kind of response comes off as defensive and kinda whiny.
Yea, its not like the Biden campaign asked Gretchen Whitmer to say exactly that voting uncommitted in the primary would be helping Trump in the general.
I primary when there's someone worth primarying for.
That means at minimum someone who is actually in favor of social and economic equity in the policies they support. Things like UBI, returning taxes to pre-reagan levels, wealth taxes (oh you have to sell some shares to pay the tax so corporate ownership is more widely dispersed in society? The horror!), prioritizing education funding and fixing our public schools rather than selling out the last paltry funding it has to the wall street charter school Trojan horse, bailing out people in difficult times from the bottom up, and actually enforcing tax code from the top earners down, as the winners should pay back to improve the society that facilitated their wealth hoarding in the first place.
I'll show up for Biden and vote for him in the general with a shuffle in my step and a funeral dirge in my heart, same as for Biden last time and Clinton before that.
I am here once again to vote for least worst, not because I have any hope for a better future, but so I can sleep at night using what little power I have for harm reduction, for keeping the water pumps on the Titanic running, still full well knowing the ship will still sink regardless, just a little slower, and people will die without real help arriving.
I do the chore of picking least worst every time in the general. If I cant even actually get to vote for something positive, even in the primary, then wake me in November for my chore.
I'd love to see some examples of this level of stupidity, have not encountered it in the wild.
Have met plenty of "MAKE THE BIDEN MAN APOLOGIZE TO PALESTINE OR HE'LL NEVER GET MY VOTE" types.... sincerely hope their urges to 'show' them dems doesn't end up with them put into camps and deported. or worse.
Here's an example...
wow.
well, I stand corrected, there's all levels of stupidity to be found. ty for the link.
Once again, perpetual short-term thinking while looking both backwards and forwards is the order of the day, and not just the "liberals" mentioned in the meme, also those who would let the orange turd stink up the White House while actively selling your children's future to the highest kickbacks bidder over at Mierda-Lago.
It’s just a ploy by the non voters so they can later complain as if their hands were tied about the candidates being too old as if other candidates were never an option.
Prepare for this is the lead up to the ’I won’t vote for two geriatrics. They don’t represent my generation’ bullshit.
I don’t even live in the country and I understand the primaries better than the average opinionated American and this makes me sad.
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