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In my experience it has mainly been people posting about why Biden deserves to lose the presidency and then flipping it to "Chill bro it's just the primary" when challenged.
Deserves' got nothin to do with it.
Biden is going to lose the presidency if he doesn't address the obvious flaws in his election campaign. Protest votes in the primary are just that, protest votes. They're trying to send a message to the president that they are democrats, they aren't supporting another candidate, but they have serious (and in my opinion legitimate) concerns.
The number of political pundits and armchair campaign managers shouting about how those protest votes help Trump is ridiculous. That's what this meme is referencing.
Biden needs to win in Michigan. He needs to carry Virginia and Ohio and Wisconsin. Georgia would be a boon, but I don't want to need it. Right now, Trump is even or ahead in all of those states, and nobody can fix that except Biden.
Edit to add a link for anyone who doesn't think it exists.
Die hard Isreal supporters WILL vote for trump instead of biden. They are single issue voters. Anyone not voting for biden over failure to support Palestine is a full fledged idiot to support trump instead. Just stop repeating this bullshit already.
Did you reply to the wrong person? Nothing you said was relevant to what I said.
I get the frustration and I, too, agree with the criticism being thrown at Biden. I just suppose I don't see how people object to the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils when the consequence is the greater of two evils retaking power.
I have to believe most people making those types of arguments are either single-issue voters who think Trump will be better for Palestine, or they are not members of vulnerable classes (e.g. immigrants, women, LGBTQ+, non-Christians, racial minority groups) whose rights would be imperiled by a Trump presidency, and therefore have nothing to lose.
Edit: Wow this was holding positive yesterday and now we're at -10. Guess the downvote trolls were out in full force while the US slept.
Because he'll lose! That's the objection. It's a losing strategy. Trump is the greater evil, and he's winning because Biden is not doing enough to win votes. People had a reason to vote against Trump four years ago, but now they have reasons to vote against Biden. Anybody willing to vote for Trump is not a reasonable person, but far too many reasonable people won't bother to show up because they don't have a reason to vote for Biden.
I agree with everything else you said.
That's the part I am hung up on, I guess. Anyone who has the power to prevent another Trump presidency but isn't willing to show up in November to do so is not a reasonable person.
If Gaza is the only thing preventing would-be Biden voters from voting in November, these are people who must otherwise not give a shit about LGBTQ+ people, about immigrants, about bodily autonomy, or about the separation of church and state.
So if the Pro-Palestine crowd feels comfortable throwing in their cards with Trump, essentially allying with the Pro-Israel crowd who are also beginning to move away from supporting Democrats in general by some ass-backwards line of reasoning, then they're every bit as bad as any other MAGA conservative in my book.
Polls basically don't mean shit. The suggestion that Trump is winning is completely nonsensical.
I don't think you're wrong to think one poll in isolation is not very valuable. But they are the only predictive measure we have, and they have consistently placed Trump ahead in critical swing states.
Now maybe they are all completely wrong. But I think keeping Trump out of power is too important to just ignore all the information we have right now.
I'll happily come back here and donate $100 to a charity of your choosing if it turns out you're right and the polls were way off, and Biden wins every swing state in a landslide. I would love to be wrong.
Thats why all the threads on the Michigan uncommitted campaign are completely empty of libs saying that voting uncommitted in a primary is helping Trump. /s
Also, per the usual, shits posted in the wee hrs of the murican morn, just like all the other shitty russian propaganda that gets posted on lemmy. They post this just as americans are getting up and use their spam accounts to quickly inflate the vote total before anyone with more than 15 functioning braincells catches on and calls em out on it. Ive been noticing more ppl on lemmy calling this BS out recently. Sometimes the internet still gives me hope in humanity.
Midnight in Los Angeles? Yes, comrade. You figured me out!
It's classic motte-and-bailey technique
I had no idea there was even a name for that, thank you for the info!
My experience is people saying Biden shouldn't win the presidency and I tell them they should express their dissatisfaction in the primary instead of giving the presidency to Trump and then they're like "no, primaries are meaningless".
In this case the primary is meaningless, there is no chance of an incumbent president not being the nominee. Even in the New Hampshire ballot where Biden wasn't even a named candidate, he still won as a write-in.
I won't judge anyone for voting however they want in the primary, at least, and I think it's dumb if you do. I've voted for candidates who dropped out in the past just to express my displeasure at the de facto nominee.
The uncommitted campaign seems to have them frazzled, they wouldn't have establishment Dems telling people that the uncommitted campaign helps trump if it had no effect at all. They are watching, it rattles their confidence, and seems to have at least some amount of impact on policy, and I don't see a downside.