People need to start taking the paradox of tolerance seriously.
"How do I compromise with someone who wants to put me standing at a wall and shoot me? Stand sideways?"
The way I see it if very simple. The umbrella of tolerance only stretches over the people who agree to support it. If you are someone who subscribes to an ideology of intolerance you cannot expect to be protected by the very thing you are trying to eliminate.
Is there a general paradox of compromise, where the assumption that everything has a middle ground is wrong? The paradox of intolerance would be a specific example, but there is also the idea that common ground can always be found between two opposing sides.
For example someone against the death penalty because the courts keep putting innocent people on death row aren't going to compromise on some acceptable number of innocent people dying.
Edit: bunch of morons downvoting because they apparently assume the worst in someone being curious while still on topic. Someone answered that what I was looking for was the Golden Mean Fallacy.
Tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance. It’s the ‘Nazi Bar’ scenario.
You run a bar. One day, a blatantly obvious Nazi comes in, be he keeps to himself and doesn’t bother anyone. A week later, he comes back but he has some Nazi friends with him. You notice some of your regular patrons get up and leave. Over time, the number of Nazis that show up to your bar increases while the number of regular customers dwindles to nothing. Without intending it, you now have a Nazi bar. If you’d have just kicked the first Nazi out, it wouldn’t have happened.
I call it the treaty model, they broke it, so they're not under its protection.
Police doing police shit: "They drove away ... indicating that we think they were outsiders." Uhauls can be rented and picked up anywhere. Pigs won't lift a finger to stop nazis.
It's gonna be awkward at home and at work when they arrest people they know.
You forgot about when they get together in the social club later.
Nobody thinks it's weird they didn't rent a bus? They rented a UHaul box truck and just piled in and sat on the floor? Folding chairs? Like this sounds like some low budget human trafficking cosplay.
It's because they want to be able to hide. You see a bus, not only do you know it's full of people but you can often see through the windows, and they can see you. A box truck is a stealthier way to move those people, and it also prevents a bunch of wanna-be tacticool fascist shitfucks from seeing the crowd telling them to emulate their hero and kill themselves.
It could just be way cheaper too
That's probably the real reason. You can get a Uhaul for $20-30 for the day, a bus would be much higher.
It seems like a really reckless way to travel. Those things don't open from the inside. If their driver was somehow incapacitated or if someone were to put a lock on the back latch, the nazis in that uhaul would be in serious jeopardy.
But even without that consideration, the idea of getting into a cramped unventilated vehicle that wasn't designed for humans and trusting a nazi to transport you anywhere seems ill-advised.
Nazis are historically stupid. Modern Nazis aren't any different
They are neo-Nazis, thinking skills are not one of their strong suits. If the Nazis actually came back they'd have them all executed (like they did last time) because these people are useless. They are all far too self-important to follow orders, and too thick for command.
Which seems illegal. Why couldn't they have been pulled over and at least cited for not wearing a seatbelt?
Just want to say, if I'm on your jury after you have t-boned or firebombed a truck full of nazis, you will never see prison.
It is just self-defense at this point.
Yeah, just make sure you don't make that known during jury selection or you won't get to help.
the fact they're not in jail atm is a failure of the system
All the cops were busy at a march themselves.
Man you know.... Thats the thing... I support their right to march and voice their opinion. Is it a shit opinion? Yes. Does middle Tennessee have a Nazi problem? Yes.
But I don't want the government to stop them from marching. Because if they can't march... Then the groups I support and agree with can't either.
It sucks. But it's how it should be. :/
the American government and many more literally went to war with the nazis once, it's okay. It's okay to say "the Nazis must not have a voice", and giving the nazis a voice, and a platform, is not how it should be.
if you don't stop it now, it will get worse.
Everyone deserves a voice unless their message is one of hatred and in support of violent oppression. That is the line, and nazis are on the wrong side of the line.
Everyone, may I present the proud white race.
Among the seriousness of the situation, I just want to say that I find hilarious that after these things happen, nazis online always go "well those aren't real nazis because look how fit they are, they are all in good shape, and are marching! they must be feds because of all the walking and going outside! ~~we~~ real nazis could never!"
And were followed to wherever they parked their mom's cars, and were shot, thrown in a pile, and burned, as is customary with Nazis and Fascists right?
Now the right wingers are trying to say that the two Democrats who were previously expelled from the state house are the ones who invited Polhaus and his Nazi clown car, which is absolute bullshit, but it just shows that right Wingers continue to refuse to take responsibility for their rhetoric and actions.
Are we 100% sure it's illegal to beat them on sight?
who cares about legality, lets talk about morality, it is 100% moral to punch a nazi and beat the tar out of them, it is also your duty to violate immoral laws, therefor its your duty to beat the tar out of nazis. no self respecting jury will convict...
I live in middle Tennessee and I assure you the only reason they were there is because they didn't friggin tell us they were. And I'm ridiculously disappointed I missed the opportunity to meet them.
This is really starting to feel like "Man in the high castle". Fuck Nazi's
Smart money says they came from Illinois
https://www.wate.com/news/tennessee/2-extremist-groups-behind-nashville-nazi-march-adl-says/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Tribe_(neo-Nazi_group)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goyim_Defense_League
Jokes aside, they're all over the place.
Maybe not being from Nashville doesn't mean they aren't from Tennessee, and given Tennessee birthed the KKK I don't particularly have trouble believing some of these losers were from places like Pulaski, which to this day is the only town I've been to with three different streets named after Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Best case scenario, they're a small group of fascists that travel a lot for their demonstrations, but pretending you can't possibly find twenty of these guys, or people like these guys, in any state is a good way to let the cancer grow unchecked.
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