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[-] generaldenmark@programming.dev 161 points 9 months ago

Americans be like; “If you can’t afford to pay 69% tip then don’t go out eating at all”

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago

If you're going to say "69%" , you need to call it eating out, not out eating.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Also, complaining that things will cost too much if waiters eek by on more than minimum wage.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 35 points 9 months ago

The cost is literally the same... Restaurants would just be upfront about it then.

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[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 129 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Something I don't get, why is it percentage based? I mean, I get it from the waiters perspective. But as a customer? Whether my one plate of food is 20$ or 200$, he did the same thing. Scaling with more items or time spent would seem more appropriate.

[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Well usually more people means a higher bill, more people is more work. Lots of places even just add gratuity to the bill once a group size is large enough.

But tipping is dumb, and working in the service industry sucks... I have no easy solutions.

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[-] quackers 122 points 9 months ago

Keep this garbage out of europe please. i see it popping up. I will absolutely refuse to tip a single goddamn soul at this point going forward.

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 114 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The whole damn system exists to place the burden of a living wage on the customer while the company paying peanuts can claim no wrongdoing. And the really sad part is: it has worked.

Edit: and there are many, many businesses that wouldn't be in business if they actually had to pay competitive wages on their own. The invisible hand can fix nothing if tipping culture says to throw more and more arbitrary amounts of money at people to subsidize their wages yourself. At some point (I'd argue we're past it already), the band-aid needs to get ripped off. Only then will we see self-correction. The almost immediate loss of many businesses will likely trigger other actions. It's already a no-win scenario.

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 77 points 9 months ago

I just stopped going to places or using services that expect me to tip. I hate the idea of tipping.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I remember when I realized tipping is insane (like 15 years ago at a bar). One of my friends was talking the waitress up and she was complaining about another table and the tip she expected. Some quick math worked out to she expected 40%.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 35 points 9 months ago

Keep in mind by doing that she probably raised her tip from your friend by at least 10%. I wouldn't assume there wasn't some strategy in that conversation.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 70 points 9 months ago

I've literally never seen a waiter get angry about not leaving a 25% tip. Can we please avoid manufactured outrage?

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[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago

I don’t really get why the expected percentage went up. 15% was the standard for a LONG time. 20% meant you thought they were great. Now 15 is considered shitty, like an insult, and we’re supposed to do 18 or 25 or 30. Meanwhile prices also went up. Why am I supposed to tip 25% now? Service hasn’t changed.

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 31 points 9 months ago

Tipping in general should be for a good service or out of convenience. It shouldn't be expected

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago

Every time we go to Toronto we go to the same restaurant because they don't accept tips, they just pay their staff really well. Fantastic restaurant and I love supporting them.

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[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago

Actually pay restaurant workers a decent wage goddammit!

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 59 points 9 months ago

It does annoy me slightly when POS systems have placeholder tip amounts but they're like 18%, 20%, and 25%. Sorry, but I just do the standard 15% in most cases so now I gotta calculate it out in my head.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 62 points 9 months ago

I'm gonna go with the standard 0% or round up the number if i feel like it.

[-] m_f@midwest.social 35 points 9 months ago

I just had a POS machine recommend 20%, 25%, or 30% for percentages. It seems like it's increasing

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[-] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago

Restaurants when they expect a 40% tip after you drive to the store for pickup

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago

If you can't afford the bill then don't eat there. That sucks to hear I know. However the only way we're going to reign in costs is by sticking to what's affordable. If restaurants can't charge that price then food distributors have to lower prices too. We all benefit by sticking to affordability.

If you're worried about money you absolutely should open up the restaurant's menu on their website or before you order and figure out what you can afford with a 20% surcharge. That said tipping was created by the industry to externalize costs and it needs to go die in a fire.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

I don't eat out at resturants ever - and guess what! When that happens, they bitch and moan about my not supporting local businesses, and steal millions in PPP loans!

[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

You'll hate to hear this, but restaurants struggling to fill positions and having to offer more benefits and pay to attract wait staff is the only way to end tipping culture. Tipping will never end itself.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 53 points 9 months ago

One thing: We're not on the verge of a recession. The right wing media needs to make things up to attack and that was one of them. I couldn't believe all that talk, nothing happened, nothing was about to happen, but they fear mongered for months.

[-] popcap200@lemmy.ml 28 points 9 months ago

I personally 100% think we were on the brink of a recession and Biden dropping a trillion into the economy avoided it.

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[-] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 52 points 9 months ago

Listen, I hate the tipping culture here just as much as everybody else, but the fact is, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out. Should employees get a decent wage without it, absolutely yes. But they don't right now, and you not tipping isn't going to change that.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 75 points 9 months ago

If we continue to tip as a wage subsidy, where is the motivation to make companies actually pay their workers?

[-] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 38 points 9 months ago

I agree with you, actually. If you don't want to tip, fine, don't tip. But don't go to a restaurant and then not tip, either, because not only are you still giving the company money, you're shortchanging the actual person you want to help.

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

The issue here isn't tipping in general... It's the audacity to try and increase percentages while prices are also going up for everything, including that same meal compared to a couple years ago.

Tipping in general is bullshit and we need to fix the root cause of employers not being required or willing to pay fair wages, across the entire economy, not just service industries.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

It works pretty well in developed countries

[-] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 29 points 9 months ago

Visiting Japan was incredible, every price was transparent and you paid exactly what the menu said. Wish we could get that going here.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 48 points 9 months ago

we're on the verge of a recession I gotta cut back

someone should make and serve my meals for me

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[-] TedJ70@aussie.zone 46 points 9 months ago

Why not pay hospitality workers a halfway decent wage, and leave tipping for exemplary service? That's how it works in the rest of the developed world.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

How about increasing wages to promote more consumer spending? Henry Ford-- a literal Nazi-- of all people, knew this!

[-] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 39 points 9 months ago

Look at Mr. Fatcat over here eating out while we're on the verge of a recession.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago
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[-] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Don't hate the player, the owner is the one to blame

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[-] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Last night, my wife and I ordered Chinese for Valentine's Day. Cost $100. Tried to tip the delivery guy a $20, and he turned it down lol. He then gave my cat a temptations treat, out of a freshly opened bag he had in his pocket. Dude was amazing!

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

$70 is a few days worth of food if you do groceries. Plus $0 tips

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[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Getting real sick of the customer holding the weight of being the financial planner for a business and the owners getting by with no blame for wage stealing and shitty business practices in this circumstance.

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