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[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 75 points 9 months ago

If we continue to tip as a wage subsidy, where is the motivation to make companies actually pay their workers?

[-] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 38 points 9 months ago

I agree with you, actually. If you don't want to tip, fine, don't tip. But don't go to a restaurant and then not tip, either, because not only are you still giving the company money, you're shortchanging the actual person you want to help.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 16 points 9 months ago

you are proposing that if we all stop tipping, companies will be motivated to pay their workers; you are correct, this is what would happen if we all stopped tipping at the same time.

this process is known as collective action. it is incredibly important to remember that collective action only works when it actually happens. in other words, your individual action of not tipping your waiter is ONLY beneficial to your waiter if you can make sure one else tips either.

do you have this power? (i think you don’t; if you do i beg of you to exercise it lol.)

now consider who actually holds the power here. at any point, your restaurant’s owner could institute a no-tip policy, thereby ensuring that no one has to tip, ever. several restaurants already have done this, and it works. now, you might (correctly) note that this may gives an unfair advantage to other competing restaurants who do not implement no-tip policy. this is where local and regional policy can come in to help coordinate transitioning to a more helpful model of compensating employees.

so there’s kind of this imbalance, where yeah technically it’s possible for us as eaters of food to “fix” the tipping problem, but its way way easier for the people in charge (whether that’s government or owners) to fix it, because they have the power of coordination on their side.

tldr, tip your waiters and advocate for anti-tipping policies if you want to maximize long term benefits for everyone.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

benefits for everyone.

No, not benefits for everyone. Servers will never get a wage that's equivalent to the tips they get now. Never.

Go survey servers on the subject and see what they think.

I'm not necessarily against no tipping areas, but I'm not going to act like it benefits the workers. It's more of a crab bucket mentality where we bring the better paying low-skill job in line with all the rest.

[-] tswiftchair@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

If we don’t tip, where is the motivation to make companies actually pay their workers?

[-] Sprawlie@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Employees who won't be able to make a living will go elsewhere. it's not easy and instant, but eventually if a restaraunt can't staff itself, it will collapse.

We should absolutely not be subsidizing restaraunt owners who are only keeping a float by paying low wages. if they can't afford to properly pay their staff, they don't deserve to operate.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 3 points 9 months ago

Employees who won’t be able to make a living will go elsewhere. it’s not easy and instant, but eventually if a restaraunt can’t staff itself, it will collapse.

Then why not skip the step of customers choosing to tip at all? Why wouldn't wait staff just protest/quit to get better wages? Wait staff collective bargaining is > than consumers collective bargaining simply because it's a smaller population that's easier to get together under a shared premise. The reality is that nearly every waiter/waitress I've talked to about it PREFER the current tip structure. They make more money.

Years ago when I first started out working, I also preferred it. I could walk home with a pocket full of cash well above minimum wage if the night was good.

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