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[-] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 283 points 9 months ago
[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't see them joining anything?

I mean, let's be real, what major function has Mozilla implemented into Firefox that hasn't been opt-out? And no, UI doesn't count, I'm talking features.

The problem isn't the existence of AI. The problem is the inescapably of it and how, under Microsoft or Google, it will harvest your data whether you like it or not. When you tell them "fuck off, leave me alone, and keep my words out of your AI's mouth", they're not going to listen. Profit motive requires them to invade.

Mozilla is a non-profit, and they've long been very good about letting you opt out things, and listening. I'm not worried about them putting AI into Firefox, because I can be reasonably sure it will be optional, in a way I know the others won't.

I'd rather they didn't go chasing this car at all, to be honest, because they're not likely to catch it, but whatever. They're renewing focus on the browser and I'm taking that as a win.

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[-] SteefLem@lemmy.world 229 points 9 months ago
[-] Turun@feddit.de 93 points 9 months ago

We already have AI in Firefox. And not gonna lie, offline (I.e. absolutely private) translations for webpages is pretty neat.

[-] Link@rentadrunk.org 26 points 9 months ago

It’s really good but I do wish it supported more languages like Russian or Japanese. So far most of the times I have had to translate a page, Firefox didn’t support the language.

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[-] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 131 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Things to add to your product when you want to look hip and trendy, but dont have any real ideas how to make your product better:

  • 1990s: visitor counter
  • 1995: Popups
  • 2000s: flash intros
  • 2005: stock photography
  • 2010: local weather widget
  • 2015: share to social media widgets
  • 2020: fullsize 4k background stock videos
  • 2024: AI assistant
[-] havocpants@lemm.ee 37 points 9 months ago

1995: animated gifs, , guest books, site rings!

[-] Twig@sopuli.xyz 31 points 9 months ago

"Under Construction" GIF

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[-] Rozauhtuno 22 points 9 months ago

You forgot about blockchain and NFTs.

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[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 115 points 9 months ago
[-] Gwaer@lemmy.world 77 points 9 months ago

uggggggggggh. I'm using Firefox because chrome is really going too far with it's manifest v3 garbage killing decent adblockere and Firefox is basically the only non chromium based option. Please for the love of everything that is holy. Just. Make. Your. Browser. Better. Don't need ai gimmicks. Definitely don't need to lay people off. You need to get back on track. Holy heck. This is the worst.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

AI will be great for translation of webpages locally instead of sending content over the wire

[-] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

I can get behind this if everything is processed locally. Let my computer do the computing and stop harvesting my data, internet

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[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago

FUCKING NO MOZILLA YOU WERE OUR LAST FUCKDAMN HOLDOUT

[-] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

Gonna have to pass on that one good buddy. Don't shit up Firefox.

[-] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 58 points 9 months ago

why the fuck would I need an AI in a browser? 0 fucks given for this "feature". firefox is devolving into an edge.

[-] red_pigeon@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nowadays we are supposed to need AI everywhere. I'm waiting for my AI bidet so that I can chat with it when I do my business.

[-] havokdj@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

"What is my purpose?"

"You wash my asshole when I poop"

"Oh my god"

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago

You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the browsers, not leave it in darkness!

[-] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

From what I understand, they're divesting resources that aren't in Firefox or at least involved in a trustworthy/open source AI project.

I see a lot of people in this theead are upset at this, but I'm tentatively excited. If they can pull off a good AI engine, especially built into the browser, that would be nice. If it had offline capabilities, that would be amazing.

Even if they can pull off a good AI solution that's not built into Firefox but it's offline, I'd be really excited. I'm not crazy about having especially detailed and intimate information being thrown to some vendor out there, not knowing where it's going. Modern AI can do some amazing things, but a lot of them reserve the right to have a human read whatever you put in them and warn you about that. This is too limiting to me for my preferred use-cases.

One concern I have is that Firefox and its engine are one of the last non-chromium browser platforms that have a household name and are FOSS. So to me, that has to be the first goal to keep healthy. Maybe the AI thing will help in this respect

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[-] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Enshittification continues.

I wonder when Steam will go.

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[-] Shape4985@lemmy.ml 53 points 9 months ago

Fuck sake. Sick of ai being added into everything. Please dont ruin firefox

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

I want a upvote for sharing, down vote the concept button. I hate it.

As much as I hate it, think it's a terrible part for a free, open, and secure web; it's probably a solid business move based on the hype.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 28 points 9 months ago

Votes are meant only to increase or decrease visibility, especially on Lemmy where karma doesn't exist.

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[-] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

Whyyyy Mozilla? I want to love you, rally, but you wont let me.

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 9 months ago

This is a pretty effective ad for LibreWolf

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[-] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What a sad day to be alive. I want to believe nothing bad will happen but this is scary

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[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I hate that they are laying people off. I do however want to use some machine learning powered adblock, for those harder to block ads. otherwise I don't feel like every app needs an AI assistant. It's bad for the Internet generally and for the power grid.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

In theory, that sounds amazing.

In practice, it will most likely need to send the contents of your browser to some third-party server. No, thanks.

(Unless it's crowdsourced, like the first person to visit a page gets dinged, but then the next persons just downloads the set of rules instead of uploading content.)

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[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

as Firefox is the only browser that can't trace its lineage back to Apple and WebKit

What a slap on Konqueror's face.

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[-] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 9 months ago

That's a very good way of me leaving Firefox behind...

[-] frezik@midwest.social 28 points 9 months ago

To go where, though? Lynx? Everything else is Chromium and that's not much better.

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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 39 points 9 months ago

The paradox of tech right now "we are going to build the most complex technology known to man into our product in the next 12 months. Are we hiring record numbers of people to get it done? No. We fired a bunch of people and everyone else will just have to be extremely hardcore."

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[-] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 33 points 9 months ago

I hope the folks laid off land on their feet.

I'm starting to think FF is being deliberately run into the ground by the higher ups. It would be good to hear from some of the devs about their thoughts on all this.

[-] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And I’m still waiting for them to open source Pocket. Silly me.

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[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Okay, well I'm ready to write a angry email now who's with me? Anybody know the best address?

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[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

An exclusively locally running, opensource LLM might be a good thing though. In my amazing dreams where that's what they're planning to do.

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[-] pendulum_@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

This surprises people? Mozilla has always been Mozilla's biggest enemy.

[-] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is how you lose. I only use FF. I will switch to another browser if they enshittify with AI.

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[-] havokdj@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Well guys we had a good run, free and open source software is officially over

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 20 points 9 months ago

Not entirely. There is LibreWolf (Formerly IceWolf) on desktop. https://librewolf.net

Mull is apparently an Android option that's also a fork, but I'm just installing it now, and can also say its only on FDroid.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago
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[-] qooqie@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Honestly, it sucks, but I expected hundreds in line with the other huge layoffs we’ve seen. It being 60 seems more reasonable

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

This world blows

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 19 points 9 months ago

It’s remarkable really. They are competing against another browser which users have to actively go out and find, then install.

Some people are used to how chrome looks and that’s powerful glue, of course, but very few normal users (ie almost none of us in here on Lemmy) needs things beyond what both Firefox and Chrome does equally well.

The simple difference in adoption rate is this: Google pushing Chrome through people’s use of Google. Diminish the need for Google, diminish people’s discovery of Chrome.

Also, I cannot understand why they need this many people. If 5% of their workforce is 60 people, they have 1200 people employed. I can almost guarantee that Google’s Chrome team isn’t 1200 people strong.

Maybe Firefox would be better being smaller and more nimble. Maybe they should stop pretending they’re a company and start pretending they’re a foundation (which is what they are). 300 people working on a core browser seems a lot of full time people, still, and that’d be a quarter of what they are today.

Also, Mozilla’s inability to produce a simple interface for embedding Firefox is simply baffling to me. The reason so many other skin-browsers are built on chromium is that it’s a LOT easier to embed.

I speak as someone who’s run Firefox since the day it was born.

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