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Mark Meckler is the president of the Convention of States Foundation and a leading proponent of the right-wing movement to get state legislatures to call for a dangerous Article V convention that will consider constitutional amendments to radically alter American government and society by making much of what the federal government now does unconstitutional.

“I don’t think there’s any way to solve this permanently without military action,” Meckler declared. “[We need a buffer zone] like the DMZ between the Koreas. It needs to be a kilometer of cleared territory that is a no man zone; you come in here and we believe you have hostile intent, we’re going to clear you out.”

“We need to exterminate the cartels and that means going into Mexico,” Meckler asserted. “Now people would say, ‘You’re violating a sovereign country’s territory.’ Well, Mexico is not a sovereign country any longer. Mexico is a failed narco state. The federal government is not in control of their military. The federal government is not in control of their police Their state governments are not, their local governments are not in control of their police forces. That is a failed narco-terrorist state and so we have to treat it as such.”

“To me, this is like Gaza. They’re invading our country. They’re invading our country every day. They’re killing our people, and we have to go in and use maximum force to oust them and create a buffer zone along the border. If we do that, we’ll have border security. It’s that simple.”

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[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 117 points 10 months ago

Hey look! More mirroring of Nazi forces cling Germany! Fucking GOP

[-] limelight79@lemm.ee 30 points 10 months ago

Don't forget the Wall and no man's land between two countries where guards are authorized to shoot to kill!

[-] ViscountMochi@lemmy.zip 73 points 10 months ago

Did that mf say kilometer? He’s clearly a spy from another country.

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We must secure the warm water port and potato croplands for vodk- er um I mean american french fried potatoes

[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

From North Korea, definitely.

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago

The logic of this rhetoric is essentially the same as the logic of modern Russia- "we need a buffer zone", and the target country "is not a country" and it's not genocide or imperialism when we have a reason to do it but we don't have a reason so we have to tell lies to convince our people that we do have one.

[-] ratman150@sh.itjust.works 52 points 10 months ago

What a fucking idiotic war mongler. We should be strengthening our ties to Mexico not fucking starting a war.

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 44 points 10 months ago

Sooo once the invasion is complete and the new southern border is with Guatemala, they're gonna want to invade them too because the migrants are coming from there? And go on and on to Hondura, Nicaragua, etc.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The best place to stop is Panama. Then you'd have a very small land border and can concentrate all of your army stacks in one province.

Source: played video games in the past

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago

Seems... Risky 🌝

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

We won’t stop until those penguins surrender!

[-] flipht@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

I mean honestly it's immigration with extra steps for us and fewer steps for the migrants. But who are we kidding? These people are looking at the lack of public outrage regarding Gaza and 2 years of war in Ukraine, and they're thinking, "If no one cares about Russia or Israel, then it's not like they'll stop the US."

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[-] B_Larson@kbin.social 33 points 10 months ago

The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.

So aside from the immense risk of starting a war with a nation right next door to you, ...aside from the fact that there would be no clear strategic objectives, it would also cost a fortune.

If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels, then they would start with increasing financial aid to said government. But these very same people would probably be against that idea.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

The War in Iraq lasted 8 years and cost over 1 trillion dollars.

We invaded in 2003 and never really left. In fact, US military units in the country got hit by Iranian rockets just a few weeks ago. They're still costing money, btw.

If the US wass really serious about supporting the Mexican government against the cartels

The US isn't going to fight the cartels. The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.

[-] MelodiousFunk@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago

The US loves the cartels. They get us all the drugs we consume and give us a lucrative market to sell our surplus small arms.

Shipping powders back and forth
Singin' black goes south and white comes north

- John Perry Barlow

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago

it would also cost a fortune.

That's the point. Follow the money.

[-] limelight79@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Yeah, what's the endgame of invading? Make Mexico part of the US? Uh...aren't the racists going to have a problem with that?

[-] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

The endgame is extermination, always has been.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 27 points 10 months ago

Or we could legalize drugs 'n shit and completely tank demand for cartel goods.

But nah they'd rather go full Russia on Mexico.

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Certain drugs like meth are actually harmful.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Yes but if the government was able to provide a source of clean/safe drugs for addicts and help them break addiction the correct way with therapy and support instead of punitive prison… then maybe we’d have fewer addicts and therefore no cartel business

[-] radiohead37@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Agreed. People are harming themselves with drugs and what does the government do? Make it worse by putting you in prison and making it much harder for you to get job in the future and get back to a normal life.

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[-] Chuymatt@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

No doubt, but also focusing on treatment and preventative measures like UBE and actual mental health care would massively reduce demand as well.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Yup, and how great would it be if people who were addicted to them were able to get the help they need without fear of going to prison?

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[-] squidman@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago
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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 10 months ago

Why don't we just declare war on the entire world. Maybe then these shitbags will have the show they wanna watch.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Let's give them the best seat in the house, then. Put em on the front lines.

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't it be easier to set up that "buffer zone" on land that's already under the control of the US?

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

But how is the military industrial complex supposed to grab more money?

[-] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Doesn't that border already have a buffer zone?

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Mark... how did that work for you the last time?

That's right... you fell down and broke your Alamo.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Member when George Bush shut down the border completely and it only lasted 48 hrs before his phone was ringing off the hook with angry corporate farm owners????

I member.

[-] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Just give them Mexico and they'll be appeased, they won't go to Guatemala next! There's no reason for them to keep going south, it's not like they've previously used their power to overthrow democratically elected leaders in central America before

This is the exact same logic used when Germany invaded Poland for fuck's sake. These dipshit aren't even original

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[-] snownyte@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Tell me, Mark, was it that simple the day we marched into the Middle-East for over 20+ years before everything became undone in less than a week once we left? All of those billions and billions we've spent in that effort. Was it really that simple?

Nice hitler salute in the image, you fucking clown. (Even if it's not, I'll treat any gesture like that from a right-winger as an admission of nazism).

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

These people have no understanding of what a war with the Mexico cartels would look like.

People that think that Mexico will just roll out tanks. Not realizing that they would just attack our infrastructure and make it costly to move into Mexico

Political assassinations would be a monthly event. Mass shootings beyond the norm in America. Prices would shoot up. Drug epidemics would be in every major city as cartels would have to mass produce to fuel their war.

A war with Mexico is a war only weapon manufactures will win.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

That’s the point though… the GOP being able to enrich the MIC while killing brown people is all that gives them joy

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[-] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

It might be more cost effective to just buy Mexico.

  1. New, much shorter border with Guatemala, ripe for wall building, if that's your jam.
  2. No more worries about mexicans coming over the border to be in the US.
  3. Additional domestic manufacturing, including ~30% rise in cars made in the US.
  4. US police and national guard can act directly against gangs in Mexico state.
  5. Ideally, infrastructure and policing investments lead to decline in northern migration, or equal and opposite migration south.

Seems doable, assuming they would sell, and might cost less than a war.

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Once we are in charge most of the manufacturing would leave. OSHA and work place regulations would make it too expensive and would move to another foreign nation again.

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[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

So, Unitedstateians are gonna help deal with crime but will plant something different to create problems for mexico and the other latin american countries like in the previous century?

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

And the magas insist they have ideas worth listening to.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Well here we go. This time next year they'll be finding yellow cake in Mexico City.

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

This would be neither simple nor guarantee a secure border, but they don’t care. They just want a legal excuse to kill brown people.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Ill-justified invasions in the name of "national protection" are the new hotness and they want their turn.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

there's a lot less US politicians wanting a luxury war with mexico than there are people in mexico who will shoot back. One wonders if these dumbasses realize the ramifications of an unpopular, pointless war would mean for them if people realize this.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

ok, well, lets roll that back a little bit.

Let's say we help mexico in getting rid of the cartels. And then mexico can actually deal with it's problems. Now we're getting somewhere.

Frankly, i think the only true border solution, is dissolution of the cartels, in whatever manner that happens to be. Then facilitating good relations with mexico, considering their place as a trade partner at the moment, that just seems universally beneficial.

[-] AscendantSquid@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

You know, because the only people crossing the border are Mexicans. And Mexican cartels have been the only driver of emigration.

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[-] Tarkcanis@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I figured republicans would come for their neighbours sooner or later; just figured it would be us for our water first.

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