If those Joe Rogan fans could read, they would be very upset right now!
EDIT: Oh you know what? I just fact-checked myself and apparently that podcast is no longer Spotify-exclusive as of very recently. I hope you enjoyed the joke anyway.
Everything is better when it ends with a fact check.
Even sex?
For these guys? Yes! Probably about HIV or something.
I guess it’s better than hearing “So that’s what you consider average?”
Especially sex
Many creators are moving away from exclusivity agreements. I think that's great.
Yeah, it's much better for everyone except the rent-seeking company... And it isn't even bad for the rent-seeker, they're just deprived of the gains they would obtain from harming the ecosystem by fragmenting it.
When people push listening on Spotify even though the podcast is available everywhere else I roll my eyes.
One of my main motivations for cancelling my Spotify subscription was their insistence on capitalising on podcasts. They have a perfectly fine business model with music, why do they need to ruin podcasts?
Yeah the locking down podcasts for exclusivity to me is really fucking toxic and totally counter to what podcasts used to stand for. Really pissed me off when Gimlet went Spotify only and Reply All was no longer available elsewhere. Very anti consumer.
Because they don't have a perfectly fine business model. They get squeezed hard by both the oligarchs of music publishing UMG, Sony Warner who negotiate the price for the music. And from the other side by the tech giants google and apple who can cross service subsidize their own streaming.There exists essentially no space for them to make any profit in streaming music. So they have to go other places.
The only reason they'll probably exist for the foreseeable future is because the rights holders are able to use Spotify to have more negotiating power against Google and apple.
I didn't cancel because I think the rest of the service is fantastic, but I haven't touched the podcasts. Because of the politics.
I thought of starting Spotify subscription but they keep recommending songs by artists that I have blocked. Fix your shit, Spotify.
Whenever I'm talking with someone about my podcast and they ask, "can I find it on Spotify?" a little part of me dies.
Like, yes it's available on Spotify, because it's available everywhere. But I strongly dislike what Spotify tried to do to podcasting, and there are much better apps out there.
I literally stopped listening to Rogan when he moved to Spotify even though I already had an account and used it, because their app was such garbage at the time.
It's slightly less garbage now.
I don't understand their podcasts. It isn't sectioned off or organised in any kind of way.
I tried it out and still regret it, because even after unsubscribing from all of the podcasts I still get notified of new episodes all the time.
Could someone explain to me (I'm a developer so use whatever terms you like, maybe), how does the massive amount of podcasts reach the world? Say if I wanted to make a podcast app (I don't, I love Pocket Casts), where would I sync the massive list'o'casts? Does it work like that? Or do you scrape the entire internet? What is happening?
It's done via RSS feeds that the podcast creators then submit to aggregators. Then apps pull that information down from said aggregators. This website explains the gist of it.
https://rss.com/blog/how-to-create-an-rss-feed-for-a-podcast/
iTunes api, and if apple turns evil there are other list-o-cast apis like fyyd.de.
if apple turns evil
Lolol yeah like that could EVER happen! /s
Compared to Reddit or Twitter anyway, they haven't killed their API yet so apps like pocket casts are mainly using iTunes for search
iTunes api, and if apple turns evil there are other list-o-cast apis like fyyd.de.
Whoever downvoted this has no clue. The Apple Podcast directory is currently unrestricted for any podcatcher to crawl and to get the RSS feeds. That may change at some point but for now it's actually the best maintained RSS feed directory. The aforementioned fyyd.de is a good but less complete alternative. It relies of community submissions. fyyd.de itself is not an open source service, though.
The protocol used for it is a bit of an older protocol, but basically it uses the RSS protocol. It came out in the 90s and hasn't been updated since 2014, and I haven't touched any code related to it since before 2019. Otherwise, it'd just be standard HTTPS for websites like Spotify etc and whatever podcast discovery system they have on their site etc.
...exactly the kind of technology that's supposed to be impossible: open, empowering tech that's not owned by any one company, that can't be controlled by any one company...
Who is suggesting that such technology is impossible? The internet is literally exactly this, based on an open standard (Internet Protocol) which is not controlled by any proprietary group.
IP wasn't the first computer networking standard to be developed, but its open nature made it accessible to any interested manufacturers and that made it the most successful standard.
Anyone suggesting that this "kind of technology" is "supposed to be impossible" is either ignorant or stupid, or both.
If IP was developed today, you'd be paying IBM or a similar corp royalties for every network adapter manufactured. Thats whats supposed to be impossible in today's late-stage hyper-capitalism web.
IBM tried that in the 60s, 70s and 80s with their business mainframe systems, along with HP and several other manufacturers. Before IP gained prominence every major manufacturer had its own proprietary connection system they tried to sell, and the competition in the market was just as fierce then as it is now.
It didn't work, the open model made all of the proprietary network systems obsolete.
I'm also not sure I can agree with that it's "a radical statement". It is... not? Unless I misunderstand what others mean with radical in this context, but linguistically it should the form free of pre- and suffixes and qualifiers, no?
So in this context, "wherever you get your podcasts" is... not very radical. That'd be not actually stating anything in regards to your podcasting platform, as it is in itself a qualifier for something else in that sentence, and hence removed.
It's also not radical in the political sense of course, but I kinda figured that's not what is being alluded to here anyways as it'd inherently not make any sense.
The IP helped the Internet to establish. But once established we see trends to try to limit the very technology into propriety. Think of the Facebook internet access schemes that tried to make everything go through facebook. Think of the attempts to make priviledged and throttled websites based on what the ISP likes...
When Podcasts were new, the open standard was embraced, but now we see attempts to make them exclusive too. Just that they didn't prevail yet.
Who is suggesting that such technology is impossible?
Every business that could stand to make a buck from it being that way. But the author obviously meant in the current economic model we live under.
I think what the author meant was that it's impossible in the capitalist marketplace.
Joe Rogan is probably a good anti-example. His podcast (as I understand it anyway) is only available on Spotify. But Conan O'Brien, the Office Ladies, and even The West Wing Weekly (which hasn't been producing in years) is still available, for free, on any podcast platform.
I think what the author meant was that it's impossible in the capitalist marketplace.
Nonsense, the marketplace was also capitalist when the internet protocol was developed in 1974. It wasn't that long ago.
Also, I'll point out that open source software is very successful today and there are a lot of businesses based around open systems. Linux is the most widely used OS, particularly for embedded devices. Apache is the most widely used web server. You're using an open source platform right now. You probably interact with open source systems every day, you're surrounded by them, and they were developed in and thrive in the 'capitalist marketplace'.
AntennaPod (OpenSource) and I subscribe to RSS feeds. How else would you do it? Spotify? That crap can't even reliably store where I paused last time.
As a devoted AntennaPod user, it works damn well.
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Podcasts are a sort of last bastion of internet freedom. Anyone can publish anywhere and be visible on all platforms.
Email newsletters kinda are too. You use a service to send them, but the list itself remains yours and can be moved around. No algorithm bullshit in your way. They're making a comeback lately it seems.
I have no idea where I get my podcasts; I hit Add Podcast in AntennaPod, it goes somewhere and I get a podcast subscription somehow. Can't explain that.
Easy to do when it's just audio files with no user interaction though. Neat that it's continued existence in this manner at least, even if the big companies have steered toward trying to be the podcast platform.
It's only radical if it is not preceeded by "Apple podcasts, Spotify,...."
Did anyone listen to Adam Curry's Daily Source Code podcast? I remember him being very excited about the possibility of escaping the gatekeepers of traditional media. If i remember correctly, he was a major and important proponent of the open nature of podcasts.
Podcast Addict and Podcast Republic ftw!
not so fun fact: both of these apps actually just search iTunes
this whole article feels misleading to me. platforms where you can search for things by name without specifying who published it, cannot exist unless one (or a small handful) of organizations does all of the publishing. not unless search engines communicate with each other -- and since apple is one of the major players I can promise you they do not.
let's face it. 99% of podcasters use a monthly paid service that hosts their media files and submits them to the small handful of podcast search engines that exist, maybe even gives them a boost in the algorithm or whatever, and which could delete them at any moment should the podcaster stop paying. the only people who want to think about technology less than creators are consumers. approximately 0% of podcast listeners even know what an RSS feed is. if you don't like Apple (or worse, they don't like you), and people have to find the setting to paste a URL into their podcast app to listen to your podcast, an even smaller percentage of no one will listen to it than otherwise would have. "find us wherever you get your podcasts" is just a fancy way of saying "get to our website by googling our company name" (which more and more companies are doing in their ads). if you become someone Google doesn't want to appear in their results, or you're not big enough for google to notice you exist, your dream is over before it starts.
I'm honestly baffled how anyone can talk about the world of public podcasts being open and radical when they're like one industry cooperation away from supporting DRM.
also antennapod ftw.
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