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OTTAWA (Reuters) - About two-thirds of Canadians surveyed this month said American democracy cannot survive another four years of Donald Trump in the White House, and about half said the United States is on the way to becoming an authoritarian state, a poll released on Monday said.

The November U.S. election is likely to pit President Joe Biden against Trump, who is the clear frontrunner to win the Republican nomination as voting in the presidential primary race kicks off in Iowa on Monday.

Sixty-four percent of respondents in the Angus Reid Institute poll of 1,510 Canadians said they agreed with the statement: "U.S. democracy cannot survive another four years of Donald Trump." Twenty-eight percent disagreed.

The Jan. 6, 2021 attack on Capitol Hill by Trump supporters seeking to block certification of Biden's 2020 election win shocked many Canadians, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau publicly blamed Trump for inciting the mob.

Trump has vowed if elected again to punish his political enemies, and he has drawn criticism for using increasingly authoritarian language.

Three times as many Canadians say a Biden victory would be better for Canada's economy (53%) than a Trump win (18%), according to the poll which was seen exclusively by Reuters. The poll, taken between Jan. 9-11, had a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points

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[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 134 points 9 months ago

Well, yeah. You'd have to be an absolute fucking idiot to say otherwise. The dude tried an insurrection. He routinely violated American democracy. It's almost like if you elect a wanna be dictator he's gonna, you know, become a dictator

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

Dealing with Republicans is like talking to the dumb computer scientist in a Star Trek plot, "I know the last fifteen of these we tried betrayed us and killed millions, but we should totally give control of all our ships and weapons to my new AI program... Hm? Oh, yes, it is a new uniform, thank you for noticing. Yeah, my tailor said it matched the color of my blood."

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

I always saw the Vulcans as Republicans, in all honesty.

They are aggressively xenophobic and use 'logic' as an excuse to berate, bash, ignore, and forget anything that they don't like. They claim to be bowing to ideals set by their predecessors but their predecessor would likely be rolling in their grave at what they've been doing. They don't make any real advancement or go further, they're happy to stay exactly where they're at with the status quo. They abhor anything that's different and see giving any sort of space to that difference as a gracious gift to be given and one that the different thing better be grateful for. They lord themselves high and mighty above everyone else but routinely miss the big picture and end up putting themselves into positions of failure due to it. They put far too much into what are mostly superstitious and religious beliefs and those beliefs often impact everyone. When they have a child with someone who isn't part of their group, they try to raise the child in such a way that the child is permanently torn and confused. When teenagers are confused, frightened and upset instead of allowing them to embrace these feelings and figure out how to control them, they instead root out all compassion and hints of emotion to further what they think is the best.

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[-] fsr1967@lemmy.world 90 points 9 months ago
[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

Seems like half are just a-ok with it.

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

About 40M A-oks. Only about 12% of Americans. Unfortunately, about half of the voting public. If your county has mandatory voting, thank your lucky stars.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, Republicans will never support compulsory voting since they benefit from low voter turnout. A 90-95 percent turnout rate would be the end of the Republican Party.

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Just under half of our Conservatives are, too:

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[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Electoral College, gerrymandering, etc. The fact anyone thinks their vote matters is astonishing.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are plenty of ways a vote matters even in those circumstances.

EC and gerrymandering have no effect on governors or senators. Those are absurdly powerful positions.

EC and gerrymandering also don't affect local county and city offices which can play an outsized role in how your local government and community interact.

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[-] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

Canadians wonder why the fuck Democrats simply dont arrest him for criminal activity

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 22 points 9 months ago

Because we don't want to interfere with the system and make it a politically orchestrated arrest.

The normal forces that be are working on it... It's just taking time... Due process and all that jazz

[-] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

Dead wrong. The only reason it's "political" is because the fucking Telecommunications Act hasnt been violently repealed.

This is not an "it takes time" issue. It's a criminal offensive. Incrementalist bullshit is why we have fascist threats now.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 11 points 9 months ago

Part of the problem is that they're trying to not give him anything he can appeal.

Prosecution like this can take a while to happen because you only get one shot at it, and it's vital that it doesn't fail for bullshit reasons.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Parties don't arrest people, the justice system does.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago

Same Canada, same

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

...unlike Republicans, who think democracy won't survive, but aren't worried because "their" guy will be the dictator.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago

I came to say exactly that. They are perfectly aware that they are going to overthrow democracy and it's not clear to me that they don't do it regardless of whether they win or lose.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago

Here are the detailed tables and as usual with this kind of question it's Conservatives VS everybody else.

https://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2024.01.12_StateofNations_tables.pdf

The largest contingent of people who thinks Trump would be better votes Conservative Party of Canada, is a man, and has high school or less education.

They also are unfortunately on a path towards putting Conservatives in government here in Canada.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

The point trump has abundantly made is that he wishes to do away with democracy as we knew it.

It’s not that it won’t survive some rambling and ineffectual idiot, it will be actively crushed by him and his supporters.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Wait I know I saw this article like two months ago. Is that what you Canadians have been up to the past 8 weeks? Just sitting there in a constant state of worry?

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 23 points 9 months ago
[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 9 points 9 months ago

Yep. Can confirm as well. And a weaker US democracy would create a power vaccuum in NATO that would very likely be exploited with the power dynamics in play on the global scale in recent years.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 9 points 9 months ago

Australian here. I'm pretty sure the entire world shares similar concerns.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Me too Canada. Me too. I don't suppose we could convince you to move down here with Trudeau and we kick trump and his supporters up there with your conservatives?

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

I'm an American and I don't expect democracy to survive the orange bastard either.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Canadians are correct.

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

We took the same bullshit apologetic approach after the Civil War with “reconstruction” and look where we are now: rotten to the core with racists, sexists and xenophobes.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Damn you Andrew Johnson!

For the most part, historians view Andrew Johnson as the worst possible person to have served as President at the end of the American Civil War. Because of his gross incompetence in federal office and his incredible miscalculation of the extent of public support for his policies, Johnson is judged as a great failure in making a satisfying and just peace. He is viewed to have been a rigid, dictatorial racist who was unable to compromise or to accept a political reality at odds with his own ideas. Instead of forging a compromise between Radical Republicans and moderates, his actions united the opposition against him. His bullheaded opposition to the Freedmen's Bureau Bill, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and the Fourteenth Amendment eliminated all hope of using presidential authority to effect further compromises favorable to his position. In the end, Johnson did more to extend the period of national strife than he did to heal the wounds of war.

On top of my joy at another opportunity to mention what a shitbird Johnson was, a shittyness we are still feeling, IMO, the bolded bit sounds a lot like another President I can think of.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Please invade. I’ll leave the back door open. 😎

[-] Kedly@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

and yet WE'RE FOLLOWING IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS IF WE VOTE IN PP

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Are there Trump voters on Lemmy?

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[-] cmoney@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

So uh will Canada take refugees?

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Not if yer just gonna take err jerbs!

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