Inflation of good with no matching inflation of pay.
Phone upgrades even though there’s barely any change from the last model.
Since 2018, the trend seemed to be going toward removing features instead... sd card slot, headphone jack, physical buttons, intrusions of screen space...
consumers have noticed, since sales of smartphones have plateaued
Cars are a huge one. I know Lemmy is very radically against cars, but they are basically necessary for many (most?) Americans.
What is not necessary is the average price of a new car nearly doubling in 10 years. A $50k car should be a big luxury, not the fucking national average.
In order to afford a car that pricey, most people will have to severely compromise their savings, and/or get a loan that will last as long or longer than the car.
A thread on rising credit card debt in the US, combined with news of sustained spending levels and a rosy outlook on the economy at the surface got me thinking about this.
Recent trends that I thought of:
- Those "Pay over X months" schemes for smaller purchases than before.
- Tip amounts appearing in more places than they need to be, and increasing.
- Inflation of the prices of basic necessities and everything else
- Everything becoming a monthly subscription
- Deregulation of online gambling and related ads
I'm hoping for more recent trends and things I might not have considered like social media, but I also welcome personal experiences, expanding on any of the above and historical examples.
The subscriptions are out of control now. Sometimes we have to throw a tablet or phone at the kids, and of course they want the play the parts of the game they can’t click on because it’s locked. I have no problem shelling out something reasonable like $2-7 to just unlock all the crap and be done with it, but now most of these developers are asking for $10 a MONTH just to have access to all of the game assets. And they’re not live service games, have online, or even in-game currency; they just single player offline basic games like driving Thomas the tank engine around a map. Like, get fucked dudes.
Mobile games are so twisted and it's plain to see.
You reminded me of this video, 20 minutes of the basis of how to psychologically manipulate people into spending money for your game. 3:45 is the "Hook, Habit Hobby" part which is worth a watch too. It's from 7 years ago and elements of it may be beginning to crawl everywhere.
There are ads that portray people in humiliating situations, like not being able to afford their groceries while holding up the line at the checkout, so they download an app that gives them "free cash." This is portrayed as a perfectly normal, reasonable thing to do in this situation.
NGL I've bought a lot of people their groceries over the years
I've been that person and the child of that person who couldn't afford groceries, so I do what I can to help others
Buy now pay later schemes like Klarna.
You can spread the cost of a takeaway over 6 weeks. Wtf? If you can't afford a takeaway make a fucking sandwich.
During the pandemic an old friend of mine and myself reconnected abd played video games together. He told me a couple of times that money is kinda tight and whatever. He worked way different shifts than me so i invited him to eat at my place 4 times a week or so. I love cooking and cooking double doesn't really makes much of a difference. After a few weeks i was at his place for the first time ever and he had two full ass garbage bags full of delivery and fast food on his porch. Motherfucker that's where your money goes. I can coock for the both of us a good healthy meal for a week for what he spends alone in two days. He basically said: well, i can't cook, so there is nothing he can do, really. Wegot out of touch again, aside from talking on discord every bow and then, but i seen him recently and he's almost doubled in size now, so i assume nothing has changed.
I don’t get people who say they “can’t cook”. Anyone can cook basic recipes…. No, the real issue is that they lack the willpower to cook. I say this as someone who dislikes cooking. I can do it if I need to (or rarely, if I feel inspired), and hell, I can do it well! But I detest the idea of spending like an hour cooking every day when I could just buy premade things like frozen meals or whatever and save myself the time. If my wife didn’t like cooking, that’s what I’d be doing for dinner each night (I already do it for lunch basically).
Buying giant SUVs no one needs with huge loans. Paying through the nose for corporate chain coffee.
I work with a guy who recently bought a 100k truck
We make a bit over 50k, this dude's interest rate is 12% and he got an 8 year loan
He's never going to pull himself out of that rut
And he'll never use it as intended, will he? Most that thing will ever haul is a cooler full of Keystone or a few random pieces of wood.
He uses it as his daily commuter vehicle
40 miles per day at 15mpg
50 gallon diesel tank for hauling his ego around
This vehicle will bankrupt him for sure
The cost of a gallon of gas? $3.25
The cost for yearly maintenance? $2,750
The cost of interest paid each month? $585
The joy of bringing a smile to children under the age of 10 pointing and saying “that’s a cool truck!”? $100k
It's got a 50 gallon tank and runs on diesel
It cost over $200 to fill the tank
He commutes 40 miles per day in that monster
Holy geez, I knew that medical costs were out of control, but that's a stupid amount of money to treat fragile masculinity!
8 years! That's insane to me.
When I talked to him today I found out his payments were $1600 per month!
I don't know how the hell he affords it
It's literally more than my rent
Subscriptions everywhere. Video, credit, energy bills (subscription for repairs/maintenance), music, news sites, YouTubers, CARS, etc. I can't fucking escape this hell!
Energy bills aren't really subscriptions like the others though. You pay for the energy you use.
Whereas with the others, you're paying the same price every month regardless of how much you use.
The most sinister is an almost inescapable one, where companies intentionally build things (larger appliances are a huge offender) to fail within 3 to 5 years.
It's the "a poor man can't afford cheap shoes" thing.
They love to "sell" this concept that making items cheaper means consumers can more frequently replace as their styles change. Fuck you, give me a white fridge that never breaks, I don't care if I have to pay double up front.
I realized this was a significant part of my expenses about a decade ago now, and started researching and budgeting for higher-quality products that don't get as much advertisement as their cheaper counterparts. It's been great! What started as a larger expense on the front end has already broken about even on potential replacements that I didn't end up needing, plus I get high-quality items to use the whole way through as well!
It's definitely a good thing to pay attention to just how much you spend on replacing things that broke down unexpectedly quickly. The higher-quality items often exist, but a lot of times you need to seek out the niche communities that focus on those products to help find them and parse through the available options. I'm sure a lot of people just aren't able to front the charge to make the change, though.
They are paying 2/3rds of their income from a 80 hour warehouse job for a 1 futon closet in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, and then being told they are living too frivolously by assholes.
Trucks (In the USA)
I'm in this FB group that does financial advice with a little sarcasm and jokes mixed in. Suggest that someone should downsize to a car or get rid of their gas guzzling truck they have no real utility for and it's like you've insulted their religion. Never seen such a group of grown adults throwing temper tantrums like that in my life.
I was talking about groceries with a friend over in England a few nights ago. Apparently my pasta prices are 4x hers. And that's just the store brand dry noodles. If I found the cheapest deal I used to see from various places, it'd still be 2x. I'd need a pound of noodles for $0.49 to even be in the ballpark.
If a simple item like that is casually 4x more expensive, I'm sure everything else is also up there. I've been lucky that my income allows me to be a single family income provider and have money left over to throw around wherever I want, but just finding this out the other day really left a deep impression of just how sorry of a state things are in over here.
Dishwasher pods are convenient and cost 5x as much as the powder.
Laundry detergent pods are another one
And fabric softener ruins your clothes over time
Get that hypoallergenic laundry soap with no additives, it's usually better for your clothes as they keep the extras to a minimum
They really ain’t even that much more convenient, and a box of powder lasts forever
Just a persistent culture of materialism. That things will bring you happiness in some deeply rooted way that can't be matched. Add in an unhealthy dose of capitalistic mentality and there's also the push that if something costs more, it must be better.
So you get trapped in a cycle of buying things that have no real purpose, or can be better served by something cheaper, and feeling unfulfilled. So you look for something new to fill that emptiness that persists throughout the cycle.
"here's a new credit offer, just spend X in 90 days and get free money!"
Yeah that one bit me
not seeing your money is a factor.
if people can always see how fat or malnourished their wallet at the time of purchase, I am sure they'll double think.
but no, we solved that overthinking by means of credit cards.
or better yet, touchless payments. Just wave your magic cellphone and stuff is yours!
I've seen an apparently relatable video about spending cash on something, therefore your bank account doesn't change so it feels free.
It seems that looking at your bank account balance often and valuing that number has a similar effect to carrying most of your paycheck in cash.
Credit cards are still the enemy because they delay the change in your bank account so that things feel like they cost less.
malnourished wallet
I agree with you and I had laughter over that wording. If it was a band name, I'm curious what would they play?
They're being sold to in terms of dollars per month, which makes a very oversized purchase sound reasonable if no one spells out the end results. We tend to value having the thing now more than being totally broke later.
Also, peoples means keep staying the same or shrinking while everyday purchases get more expensive.
This ranks low in the scam scale, and it’s been around for decades, which leads me to believe it works well enough to keep around. At (some) supermarkets whenever an item is on sale the bright attention grabbing tag will say something like 3/$6 or 10/$10 leading you to believe you have to buy 3 or 10 or whatever at the same time to get the deal, when really the sale price is just $2 or $1 for the items in these examples, and you can buy however little you want.
Maybe adults don’t fall for it, but it sure worked on me when I was a dumb kid spending my few dollars I had on candy or whatever.
This varies. There are some stores where it really is 10 for $10 and individual items will ring up at $1.19 or whatever. It can pay to ask.
where i live renting a small room is more expensive than all minimum starting salaries i have seen, and you also need to pay two months rent upfront, and the security deposit is equal to 12 months of rent and because of high inflation that means you are literally paying an extra months worth of rent just on the deposit alone (which goes up by inflation).
so people telling me how much life is worth living? cause that's certainly beyond my means.
security deposit is equal to 12 months of rent
Jeez. Why the hell are landlords asking for a downpayment on a home they are leasing?
Buy Now Pay Later is what's exacerbating this. People are dumb, have short attention spans and most of them are statistically bad at basic math, so when they see a purchase that they can make without paying anything now they'll hit buy and they'll do it many times as the e-commerce platform will usually recommend other products to them they'll likely want, they won't do the calculation to see if they really can afford the split payments + the interest.
It's all falling apart. No future. No safety. No hope. Buy until you die.
BNPL ("buy now, pay later") is definitely amongst the worst problems
One big thing is people will often buy for a niche that they don't need (like buying a big truck because they go to home depot once a month to get 2x4 and the other (in tech mostly) is "its for future proofing bro"
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