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[-] Aielman15@lemmy.world 155 points 2 years ago

Religion is ignorance and refusal to face reality.

As long as people behave, treat others, and vote according to the sacred scriptures written by a crackhead thousands of years ago, and their influence shapes the world around me and puts a limit to my freedom, then there will be no distinction between religion and extremism. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

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[-] toastus@feddit.de 85 points 2 years ago

We should be fighting religion.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 71 points 2 years ago

A distinction without a difference. Religion produces demonstrable harm to many people. To be religious is to be an extremist. The entire idea that a being from your imagination should influence my behavior is whack.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago

To be religious is to be an extremist.

Over 80% of people in the US believe in one religion or another. The country is not 80% extremists.

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[-] communist_1914@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 years ago

Religion is not a useful tool and it's not good in general

[-] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

Are you kidding me? Religion is supremely useful in controlling and exploiting people. It promises all of the wonderment and fantasticnous you can imagine while also promising the absolute worst nightmares you can imagine, and all you have to do is pay and pray, and the prayers are optional.

"Work in service to your masters and you will be rewarded after you're dead. Defy your masters and you will be punished for eternity" is the perfect tool of control for the uneducated/unintelligent.

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[-] ForrestGrump@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 2 years ago

No, we should be fighting religion.

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[-] WallEx@feddit.de 41 points 2 years ago

Institutionalized religion is bad, religion for yourself isn't imho. I can understand the need for answers, although I don't necessarily need them. I think that is part of tolerance, to accept the believes of others.

[-] 7heo@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

"Religion for yourself" in the age of internet of called "personal belief". So, the term "religion" now only means, like it or not, "institutionalized religion".

This is 100% caused by the fact that people "identify" as Y (not using X as a variable, as it is now a fucking confusing buzzword), and are subsequently grouped together in "echo rooms" by various platforms algorithms. This happened so overwhelmingly that in less than a decade, it redefined the default behavior of people, online, and you will now see people automatically seeking those echo rooms. Even on Lemmy, where people are literally seeking instances that will validate their own beliefs, and block those they do not share.

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[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 2 years ago

I think the argument for moderation is the worst in the religious context.

Pascal was right about his Wager in one way. If god exists, it should change everything for you. Especially the christian one. Eternity in pain or pleasure outweighs everything.

If that is your reality, how is failing god moderation?

Seriously if you don't want people to die from cancer at all, how is that not extermist?

Are reference point defines "moderation"? Look at us vs eu politics.

Even if you want to define moderation as the average or median position in a society, then Nazism can be moderation if you get enough Nazi together.

Wake up, my fellow extremist.

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[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

Both. Both. Definitely both.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago

“extremism” is what neoliberals invented to liken egalitarians with Nazis to make themselves look good.

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

I recently visited reddit and was horrified to see how many people there say “Lol he believes in sky dady, his opinions are worthless, ban all religion” and even some extreme comments like “All christians are pedoes” and I am seeing this rising slowly on lemmy as well

Any sort of extremism is bad, whether that’s religious, political or atheistic(?), and thats what we should be fighting, banning hijabs is not gonna do any good

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Religion is for the feeble minded.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

Extremism is not bad. The only proper response to fascism is antifascism, for example. Balance is not a virtue, that's like saying we need both the KKK and the antiracists to make a nice balance.

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago

We should be fighting both

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[-] mildlyusedbrain@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

Tell me you are a Christian who is sad that people keep calling out how Christians have vitriolic hatred for their fellow man with telling me you are a Christian.

Also anyone get a strong feeling that by extremist, OP means Muslims not Christofacist in the US

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
  1. I am not a christian lol
  2. I mean extremism by any person who uses religion as an excuse, not any particular one
[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago
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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

You can't fight either directly. Fight stupdity and both go away.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 26 points 2 years ago
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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago

Tbf extremism itself isn't wrong. Any perspective can be considered extreme if it is too different from the status quo. Different isn't necessarily bad.

Granted religious extremism is typically far right reactionary ideology which is bad so I'm not really defending it. However, I find that a lot of people, especially Americans, call anything that radically challenges the current system extreme and therefore bad.

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

If extremist = trying to convince others, who are not interested, to join you relligion, then I agree

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well then you should not try to convince people to accept atheism as well🤷🏻

Edit: This is not a serious counter argument in case it isn’t clear, ofc no one is going to every individual person, events and stalls are put up for this purpose, so it is obv. that the only one who will go there are the ones who are interested, there should be no force involved

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[-] Gladaed@feddit.de 22 points 2 years ago

Classic American perspective in the comments.

You know, a lot of regions have religions that aren't cults. Also tv mega churches are not common in the old world.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.

All religions are cults.

That there exist congregations that aren't actively being taken advantage of, or doing evil shit, doesn't mean people living their lives believing things that aren't real and making choices based on that belief, are harmless.

You can be the kindest soul on earth, but if you believe stabbing someone in the heart helps them, you might still do it.

Believers do that type of shit all the time, like words spoken while meaning well, but doing harm. They look at reality through the distorting lens of faith, they can't ever truly see it. There is a fatal disconnect between perception and reality.

They thank God instead of their doctor, they tell their depressed children to consult Jesus when they need medication, they feel crushed by bad luck because it can't just be bad luck, everything is god's plan, meaning they feel they deserve it.

Religion adds so many tiny twists to reality, and every single one hurts someone. Both the believer and those around them. If you haven't seen it happen, you're the exception, not the rule.

[-] Aielman15@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I'm Italian.

Four years ago the DDL Zan, a law that sought to fight language and deeds that amount to religious, political and racial discrimination by adding aggravating factors for sexual orientation, gender and gender identity, was proposed.

Among its detractors, the Vatican itself, who urged Italy to stop the law because, according to them, the Law calls into question church’s ‘freedom of organisation’ and threatens ‘freedom of thought’.

While those cartoonish evil cults aren't common, they are not the only evil religious organizations in the world. The head of one of the abrahamic religions, and one of the most popular religions in the world, fought against the freedom of my fellow LGBT+ individuals because of their supposed right of hate speech, apparently. So no, it's not an American perspective, and yes, all religions are evil.

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[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm sorry, no hate or incivility intended towards you as a person, but this idea is pandering centrist bullshit.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Every time someone uses extremist as a pejorative

I'm joining the war on extremism... on the side of extremists

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Sounds like a pretty extremist view there buddy puts on my fighting skirt

[-] Gladaed@feddit.de 15 points 2 years ago

Classic American perspective in the comments.

You know, a lot of regions have religions that aren't cults. Also tv mega churches are not common in the old world.

[-] toastus@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago

I am European and haven't been to the US in over 15 years and I still firmly hold the believe that religion is cancer and every religion is a cult, especially the christian organizations both big and small.

And don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about.
I was raised catholic and probably know my way around the bible better than most christians.

Now what?

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[-] Raine_Wolf@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

True, but.. like... Can we also do both

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Neither, fight the conditions underlying both.

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