628
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well then you should not try to convince people to accept atheism as well🤷🏻

Edit: This is not a serious counter argument in case it isn’t clear, ofc no one is going to every individual person, events and stalls are put up for this purpose, so it is obv. that the only one who will go there are the ones who are interested, there should be no force involved

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have never had an athiest knock on my door and tell me I needed to stop believing in God or I am going to suffer for eternity.

The thing convincing people to be athiests isn't other athiests. Facts and logic are the missionaries for athieism.

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Trying to save a person by pulling them out of the cave of ignorance isn't the same thing as trying to convince them that the boogyman wants them to stay in the dark. This is an enormous false equivalency.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Trying to save a person by pulling them out of the cave of ignorance

A religious person has the exact same argument...

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Yes, I'm aware. The difference is in that one of our beliefs is founded in the observable world and the other delusion. One holds up to scrutiny and the other does not.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

The difference is in that one of our beliefs is founded in the observable world and the other delusion. One holds up to scrutiny and the other does not.

Scientific scrutiny shows there are health benefits to belonging to a religious organization. The only thing that "holds up to scrutiny" is "I'm right and you're wrong" which, again, the religious person also believes.

So instead of having "rules for thee but not for me", maybe everyone should not be trying to force their beliefs on others.

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Assuming we've read the same study, that study also showed the exact same benefits you're describing could be achieved with regular yoga or meditation; it seems to me the real benefit is getting out of your own head and devoting yourself to something other than your internal monologue for awhile.

But beyond that, any health benefits are entirely an aside to whether or not the philosophy itself holds up to scrutiny, which no religion I've encountered does.

Finally, I don't believe in rules for thee, not me. They are welcome to present their beliefs in the marketplace of ideas as well. I believe in the power of veracity; I am not challenged by false ideals. I'm not anti-proselytizing, i believe in proselytizing the proselytizers.

this post was submitted on 31 Jan 2024
628 points (100.0% liked)

Memes

51722 readers
922 users here now

Rules:

  1. Be civil and nice.
  2. Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS