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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 147 points 7 months ago

Star Trek was literally always woke.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 55 points 7 months ago

I assume they're returning to their truck to retrieve some sort of accelerant.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 19 points 7 months ago

Jeepers, that’s dark, Boss.

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[-] roscoe@startrek.website 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The thing I love about this, the thing I always find funny whenever this comes up, is that these midwits are just too dumb to make the obvious argument. The argument that is "in their face" and "being shoved down their throats."

There is a rational, coherent argument to make their point. It's one I disagree with. It's one that, in my opinion, can only be made in bad faith with no purpose other than to be a concern troll, but it's there.

They always bring up Adira, Gray, Jett, Stamets, Culber, and anything else that's gone up their ass but never any of the actual social commentary because they're so thick it went over their heads and they didn't even notice it. You can see it in this thread. They mention the characters and people respond with "but they're just existing, how does that bother you?" They just bring up the characters again to a response of "yeah, we heard you the first time, what are they doing that bothers you other than existing?" And it just goes in a circle.

There was never an episode of ToS where Uhura talked about how hard it was to be a black woman as a bridge officer, because it wasn't. That's the whole point. In the future Star Trek wants us to imagine, a black female officer is completely unremarkable. Whenever they wanted to engage in social commentary about race relations in the 60s they had to invent an allegorical race, time travel, or use some other device to make their point.

The same thing is happening in the newer series. All those characters are just existing. Their sexuality and gender identity is completely unremarkable in the future Star Trek shows us. If those dipshits had two brain cells to rub together they would see the new series are full of allegories about not just tolerance, or even acceptance, but appreciation for beings with non-conforming expressions of self. If any of that did manage to trickle through their thick skulls they probably just twisted it into "yeah, people shouldn't make fun of me for having a relationship with a waifu pillow."

If they weren't so stupid they could easily give a half dozen examples and say "it's too much," "I got it the first time," "focus on something else for a change," or whatever other bullshit justification they came up with to oppose these themes. It would be a bad faith argument that I would disagree with but at least they could pretend they're not bigots, instead of their current position which seems to be "I've got no problem with these people, I just don't want to see them."

[-] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 18 points 7 months ago

And, on the flip side, there's also their total blindness to many examples of old Trek being decidedly unsubtle. They just will not address those, because to do so would completely undermine their point—and they're not interested in the truth, really. They just want their anger.

I don't know how someone can be a Star Trek fan and not get it. It's an attitude diametrically opposed to the core spirit of the franchise. How do these people enjoy a show about exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations, but they can't stand the presence of different humans?

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[-] darthsid@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

I don’t mind wokeness if the story is good, but to crash a story to champion wokeness is unacceptable to me.

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 78 points 7 months ago

Lmao first interracial kiss, champion of non-binary, trans, and gay people for the super obvious if you used two or more brain cells when watching metaphor characters sprinkled all over the seasons.

Sure, go ahead and say this hasn't always been star trek.

This is like people who think Starship Trooper is a Gung-go military action thriller... I'd ask if you'd like to know more, but if you did, you wouldn't be this dumb.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

I'd argue that if your sci-fi isn't pushing boundaries with that sorta stuff, it's not doing its job.

PS: Buenos Aires was an inside job

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 20 points 7 months ago

THANK YOU!

My dad is definitely the type to think Starship Trooper was a cool pro-military movie, but surprisingly he gets that it's satire and mocking his former job.

However, he still upholds that the BUGS somehow managed to launch an attack against earth, somehow either aiming at a populated area or getting EXTREMELY lucky, from ACROSS THE GALAXY

Nah it was 100% an inside job.

[-] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 26 points 7 months ago

... We are talking about the TV show with an episode where they show it's wrong for aliens with black and white skin to discriminate against the same aliens with white and black skin, right? Just making sure we and the "the story is bad because wokeness is at the forefront" comment are on the same page.

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[-] Damage@feddit.it 66 points 7 months ago

If the story is bad it's because of bad writing.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 55 points 7 months ago

I'm sure that you feel like you're saying something very profound, but for most people that's just gibberish.

[-] Username02@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago

I'm sorry... It must be hard living with condition like this.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 23 points 7 months ago

Have you spoken to a therapist about getting past your own insecurities?

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[-] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh ffs can we cut this crap?

Yes, there are legitimate bigoted Star Trek fans. It's the Internet. You can find an abundance of any extreme niche. I'm honestly willing to bet I could find an abundance of furry star Trek fans fairly easily also, despite furries as a whole being vanishingly rare in real life.

However it's a lot more common to see legitimate criticism of Star Trek painted as bigotry, often by people who clearly aren't really that big fans of the series.

You couldn't criticize Discovery for the first year it came out without being called a bigot, and a lot of the people doing so would clearly have 0 idea about the greater Star Trek universe. I remember reading a multitude of comments calling Burnham the first female Captain or first black captain, saying how female senior officers were quiet and unassuming until Tilly came along, and a bunch of other shit that was objectively wrong.

I feel like most implied accusations of bigotry these days are low faith effort attempts to stifle criticism by newer fans who just can't handle criticism. It's exhausting and super toxic.

Finally Lower Decks is a grabbag of woke tropes but was met with widespread and is the most popular NuTrek among hardcore fans. That should tell you something more is going on.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 37 points 7 months ago

Who said you can’t critique Disco?

This is about a very specific, very silly objection, levelled by people who have found themselves indoctrinated into a mode of thinking that alienates them from the people around them, because of a manufactured fear preying upon alienation many of us experience in our modern world.

I’ve had plenty of objections to aspects of Disco, especially during season two, but scattered throughout the series, and no one has ever called me a bigot for my hot takes. If you’re presenting your critiques in such a way that people are assuming you’re bigoted, perhaps you should reevaluate how you’re constructing your criticism.

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[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Beau of the Fifth Column does great videos talking about how Trek has always been liberal

[-] cuchi@startrek.website 16 points 7 months ago

I remember seeing people complaining about "woke adaptation" with The Sandman, and Neil Gaiman always reply on Twitter he was ok with that, is like people can't believe there is authors or works who is being left-right stories, people acted like he was controlled, mind-washing or something.

[-] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 25 points 7 months ago

The Sandman is such a hilarious example of something to get upset about being too woke, too. "This adaptation of a comic written that featured gender fluid characters in 1989 has been corrupted by the woke mob!"

Brain worms.

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