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Gold for house (lemmy.ca)
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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 198 points 2 years ago

This isn’t actually true. In the US, housing has outpaced the value of gold.

In 2023, you would need 254.7 ounces of gold to buy a house, since $495,100 avg home / $1,943 price of gold = 254.7

In 1920, you would need 164.1 ounces of gold to buy a house, since $3,395 avg home / $20.67 price of gold = 164.1.

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Fuck, even the gold isn't safe.

[-] Numhold@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago

And let‘s not forget that the average home in 1920 was way more modest than today‘s average home.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I'm seeing $412K as the average price of a home in 2023, not $495K. And gold was $2,135 in 2023. The price in gold is still higher in 2023, though about 193 bars for a home.

Couple other notes, more related to the post.

1920 is an oddly good year to use. It's just after WWI. Industrialization and modernization are taking off across the US. Worker's rights are beginning to take hold and working class people are now able to afford homes. It's before the Roaring 20s, so you're not going to get the actual details obscured with the market rush and subsequent depression.

There is a couple important downsides though...

Firstly, mortgages didn't really exist back then. I mean, they did, but they were horrific. You'd have to go to an insurance company because banks wouldn't offer them. The terms would give the insurance company full ownership of the property. If you were lucky, it would be a balloon loan - pay only the interest during the 5-10 year term and then pay the entire balance at the end. If you were less lucky, it was a lifelong contract where you only paid the interest plus fees every month.

There was an alternative but most people didn't have access to it: membership in a Savings and Loan corporation, also known as Building and Loan or thrifts. You'd join as a member and agree to buy X shares every month. If you give a notice (30-90 days usually), you would be allowed to cash out the shares plus interest earned for their actual value. When you wanted to buy a home, you would be allowed to use your shares as collateral. Each monthly payment would pay for the interest and a certain number of shares. Once you had enough shares, you would redeem them to pay off the loan. A bit complicated, but S&Ls were fantastic for the common person. They were owned by the members of your community and all loans went to support said community.

Secondly, kind of related to the first point, there were no 30 year mortgages. Home prices are virtually tied to the monthly payment and a thirty year mortgage allows for lower monthly payments. Prices might get out of line a bit, such as right now, if people believe that interest rates will drop and they can refinance later. Personally, I don't think we'll see any drops for at least two years and, even then, we won't see anything like the 2020-2021 rates unless we experience an economic catastrophe like 2008. You want higher rates when the macro environment is strong and lower rates when it's weak. Cheap debt in a good economy is basically a handout to the rich - makes you wonder why Trump pushed the Fed to keep them low back in 2018-2019...

[-] neptune@dmv.social 5 points 2 years ago

Which week are we talking about? Lol

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[-] powerofm@lemmy.ca 145 points 2 years ago

This post feels like it's sponsored by the World Gold Council to encourage people to buy gold.

[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Well, it's working.

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago

Gold prices must be high

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[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 112 points 2 years ago

If you had of invested the equivalent amount of money in the Dow Jones index instead of purchasing 10kg of gold and kept it invested from 1920-2024 you would have ~$15 million.

[-] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 102 points 2 years ago

This, precious metals are a hedge against hyper inflation. Not an investment.

[-] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago

So I get the idea of a hedge, but I guess the question on my mind whenever I hear talk about hyper-inflation is “what are you going to do with the gold if society collapses?”. My thought is that if the world economy got so fucked up that the US dollar was worthless, and the government didn’t step in, then wouldn’t we sorta be in a failed state? And if we were in a failed state is the plan to sit on the gold in some sort of fortress to wait for civilization to come back? Hoping that you can defend it and that the incoming civilization doesn’t just take it?

I've always assumed you'd melt the gold down and create coins or other tradable sub-amounts of the gold that you could exchange for goods and services. If people are still peopling, they'll still want a currency to transact with; if the dollar has failed then gold has a historical precedent that would probably make it easier to convince people to trade with you using it as a medium of exchange. It always seems like it's more suited to be an emergency measure than a plan A to me.

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago

Not only that, but SP500 pays dividends practically every year, whereas gold costs money to store securely. $15M in SP500 would have netting something around $300k last year in dividends alone.

[-] yoissy@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago

Me when I post misinformation online: 😈

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When I purposely spread misinformation over the internet when I purposely spread misinformation over the internet smiley

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago

I feel like one of these is off by a 0

[-] BillDaCatt@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago

The bar in the picture is one kilogram or about $65,000 US dollars. Ten bars would buy a very nice house in my area.

[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago

it might get you a small fixer upper in my home town.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago

Meth lab or woop woop in mine

[-] Fox@pawb.social 38 points 2 years ago

10 of these will buy you a house in 20230

[-] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

Which one? Gold was $20.67 per Troy ounce in 1920, that’s about $664.55 per kilo. 10 kilos about $6,645.55 I’m believing the first search result https://www.countryliving.com/life/g33398396/what-things-cost-100-years-ago/ says that matches up. Gold is about $64,900 per kilo today so $649,000 for 10 bars, that’s a low cost of living middle class place or HCOL very small house that needs renovation. I could see you meaning these days and houses in some areas are in the $6 million range, guess they should be location specific.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

$649,000 for 10 bars, that’s a low cost of living middle class place or HCOL very small house that needs renovation.

What the fuck is going on with house prices up there

[-] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Sub 2% interest rates for 2 years for loans and then jumped to ~8%

Market is wildly variable.

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

And probably the fact that post 2009 the construction industry collapsed and a lot fewer homes are getting built

[-] ikapoz@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago

Median home price in the US last year was about 450k, so I’d say your scale is a bit skewed.

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Is it me?:(

Oh look the gold bugs are back

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

Ignores that common folk can neither buy at spot nor sell at spot.

[-] IdiosyncraticIdiot@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

10 kg gold Dec. 2023 = ~$727,591 = $2062.92 * 10 * 35.27 oz/kilo

10 kg gold June 1920 = ~$105,810 = ~$300 * 10 * 35.27 oz/kilo

seems much higher than the respective housing cost for an average home in both cases

price ref

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[-] outer_spec 17 points 2 years ago

Memes from the alternate universe where we still use the gold standard

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In 1920, the average price of gold per troy ounce was $20.68USD[26.2 kB pdf]; 1 Kilogram = 32.15075 Troy ounces. Average house price in the 1920's was $6,296.

$20.68 USD * 32.15075 oz t = $664.87751 USD * 10 = $6648.7751 USD

In 2023, the average price of gold per oz t was $1,940.54 and the average home price was $495,100.

$1,940.54 USD * 32.15075 oz t = $62,389.81641 USD * 10 = $623,898.1641 USD

This meme is credible, excepting errors in my assumption that 1 kilogram of gold is equivalent to 1 kilogram of common material.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

At the same time, it picks and chooses its dates. Gold has been volatile, with the price oscillating between $2,100 USD in 1980, $470 USD in 2001, and back up to $2,200 USD in 2011.

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

They'd actually also be very likely to get you targeted by thieves as well. Even if you tried to keep quiet about them, there would be an entire chain of custody which would be required inform when such a large quantity of gold bullion where sold or bought, as well as their transportation and the transportation's insurance, if you don't get scammed in the process.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

This is always my question. Like you see these movies about gold and diamond heists, but then.... Wtf do you do with them? Who are you selling this shit to at retail value, or anywhere close to it?

I feel like if somone handed me a bag of diamonds right now I'd have no idea wtf to do with them.

[-] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago

You’d have no idea what to do with them because you’re not in organized crime. I would go look at Larry Lawton on YouTube. I think he posts a lot but if you go to his earlier posts he talks about his organized crime life. Wild.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I’m reminded of so many fiction subplots where a character has acquired an extremely valuable XXX they want to sell.

More often than not, it’s such an important object that any interested parties would sooner hire mercenaries to get it, and kill its owner as a witness (and in many of those stories, exactly that happens). Past a certain value, many items are not actually valuable for common people.

[-] SnotFlickerman 13 points 2 years ago

wood for sheep?

I almost missed this.

I'll just quote myself from my last game where I had a monopoly on the sheep...

YOU DARE COME TO THE MASTER SHEPHERD WITHOUT A TITHE IN HAND?

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 2 years ago

This is Catan meme? Because there's no gold in Catan, or im confusing it with other game.

[-] SnotFlickerman 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The title is "gold for house" and the body is "wood for sheep" implying they are a similar type of trade, not implying both are from Catan.

Neither "gold" nor "house" exist in Catan.

[-] Yewb@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Gold has no intrinsic value to me I wonder if as the boomers start to die off if it will start losing some form of value

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago

Well, it has value to people who make electronics, and that industry is still growing. So, not likely.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

especially military specification electronics and extreme temperature range performance applications.

[-] SayJess 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Unlikely. Part of why gold is so valuable is its inertness. It doesn’t corrode or rust, which makes it great for electronics.

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

Seems like a lousy investment.

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